The same or not the same

[inquiry]

The auction is the same for both hands.... time for your second bid

 

YOU PARTNER

1♦   1♠

?

 

And you hold either of these two hands

 

HAND ONE ♠A9 ♥72 ♦AKQT62 ♣KQ2

HAND TWO ♠A7 ♥Q5 ♦ AKQ742 ♣Q93

 

Now assume your agreement is a jump to 2NT here shows 17-19 hcp and balanced, and a jump to 3D shows a six or seven card suit, less than 3♠ and 17-18 hcp non forcing.

 

I suspect most of us will bid these hands the same (but I might be surprised). I am mildly curious why someone would choose one option over the other but bid them both ways. I am just wondering if anyone would bid 2NT with one and 3♦ with the other and why (if htey would).

 

You can vote and not comment, but if you vote to treat them differently, I would appreciate hearing your logic.

[MarkDean]

I would rebid 2NT on the second one and 3♦ on the first one, although I admit it might be an idiosyncratic (moronic?) idea. On the second one, I have at least some help in all of the side suits, and it looks like a good hand for nt. On the first one, I am wide open in hearts, and have a bit more concentration.

 

Out of curiousity, what would I have bid with 6-7 diamonds, 17-18 points and exactly 3 spades?

[peachy]

I might consider opening the second hand 1NT. How do you show a hand with 3-card spade support and otherwise about the same type of hand?

[kayin801]

I would bid 2NT on both if those are my only choices, but honestly I think the first one is too good.

[inquiry]

I might consider opening the second hand 1NT. How do you show a hand with 3-card spade support and otherwise about the same type of hand?

I made that stipulation so people who use 3♦ jump rebids to show 3 card spade support couldn't take the easy 2NT way out. BTW, my jump to 3♦ on this auction promises 3 card spade support.... so I fall into that group.

[Siegmund]

No poll option for "I can see either 3D or 2NT on the 2nd hand, but the 1st is too strong for either of those"? I suppose I am endplayed into an offshape 3C.

[inquiry]

No poll option for "I can see either 3D or 2NT on the 2nd hand, but the 1st is too strong for either of those"? I suppose I am endplayed into an offshape 3C.

I added your choice to the poll.. but thanks for responding as you comments already say you will not treat them the same, which is the info I am after.

[jdonn]

3♣ on the first (though I might well have opened 2NT), 2NT on the second.

[gnasher]

I'd treat both hands as balanced, but the first one is too good for 1♦..2NT, so I'd anticipate the problem by opening 2NT. On the second, I'd open 1♦ and rebid 2NT.

 

If the first hand were a bit weaker, I'd open 1♦ and rebid 2NT, notwithstanding the low doubleton heart.

[Lobowolf]

Put me down for treating them differently, also. Whatever the line is, they're on opposites sides of it. Treating them the same means underbidding #1 or overbidding #2. 3♣ seems like a necessary evil on the first one.

[JLOGIC]

I am not a fan of opening hand 1 2N anymore though I did it basically my whole life,and I would still do it at MP but I think at imps 1D then 3C is fine. It will probably lead to better auctions, better rightsiding, better slam bidding, etc with a loss on information leakage.

 

After opening 1D anything other than 3C is terrible, 3D and 2N are both not game forcing!

 

Obv strong club followed by diamonds would be best, you might even stop in a partial if it's right then :)

 

Hand 2 is a no brainer 1D then 2N to me.

[hanp]

Agree that the first one is too strong, and that 2NT seems right on the second. Having opened 1D somehow on the first I'd rebid 3C.

[whereagles]

They're both worth what you have agreed to, namely 2NT. Why mess this up? :D

[jjbrr]

3♣ on the first (though I might well have opened 2NT), 2NT on the second.

me too.

[neilkaz]

3♣ on the first for me as I think this good enough to GF. Flip a coin on the 2nd between 2NT or 3♦.

 

Strongly dislike opening 2NT with the first hand with only 18 HCP and no ♥ stopper and for many pairs, needing methods to find a ♦ slam if that is best, ie too many reasons to not open 2NT and I think by far the better method is to JS into my 3 card ♣ suit.

[Phil]

3♣ on the first (though I might well have opened 2NT), 2NT on the second.

Same, except I would open 2N.

[Furlan]

2♥ on the first (either a natural reverse or a GF ♦ one-suiter, which is what I would call this hand).

3♦ on the second, natural.

[andy_h]

I like bidding my suits so 1♦ then 3♣ on the 1st one. I'm willing to sacrifice the information leakage in exchange for potentially better slam bidding or I even welcome the opponents to interfere with hearts so they push us from a failing 3NT. The sharp cards and the good suit is just too good to pass up.

 

On the second one I would rebid 2NT.