Little Kid Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=s986hdakjt8763cq8]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]- 1D is 4+♦. - Your preempts can be very light at favourable.- 3NT is agreed as a solid 7-card minor with at most a Queen outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Hi, I will open with a preempt. I guess my diamond suit does not qualify for a 3NT opening bid,the suit is not solid, so 3NT is out.I would go with 5D, but 4D is ok as well. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 8 card from AKJ is as solid as a 7 card suit from AKQ. I'd probably open 3NT, 1♦ being my alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 8 card from AKJ is as solid as a 7 card suit from AKQ.No it's not. 5♦ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 8 card from AKJ is as solid as a 7 card suit from AKQ.No it's not. 5♦ for me. There was a thread a while ago about this. It's not exactly the same, but still solid enough to open 3NT as far as I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 AKJ10-8th is quite different from AKQ-7th, it's better for diamonds and worse for NT. Given that we also have a void, I would never open 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 1 or 5 ♦, way too strong for a non vul. preempt vs. vul opps. Okay 5 ♦ today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 8 card from AKJ is as solid as a 7 card suit from AKQ.No it's not. 5♦ for me. There was a thread a while ago about this. It's not exactly the same, but still solid enough to open 3NT as far as I remember. 84% vs 75% or so, 9 percentage points difference. What is solid enough to open 3NT is subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=37841 in particular http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=442582 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sectorzz9 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 5D. The suit isn't solid and we have an outside void, which is unattractive for NT. However I wouldn't be surprised to be told that 1D works out a lot better on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Deleted due to thread references gwnn provided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 84% vs 75% or so, 9 percentage points difference. What is solid enough to open 3NT is subjective. Agreed. Of course, the 8-card suit has the advantage that, the 75% of the time that it comes in, it only needs 1 outisde trick for 3N, whereas the 84% 7-card suit needs 2 outside tricks. 3NT looks right to me. It's called "gambling" for a reason. Or is it not called that anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Gambling 3NT is lol. The void is even worse for it than the suit is. How can partner ever know what to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 AKQJ10xx is 100% because partner needs one too.3NT looks right to me. It's called "gambling" for a reason. Or is it not called that anymore? You can call it whatever you like but I think it's just bad bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 8 card from AKJ is as solid as a 7 card suit from AKQ.No it's not. 5♦ for me.I think you need to do the numbers, as the only truely solid,100% guaranteed 7 trick winner is AKQJT9x. Clearly we would wait a long time to use gambling 3NT if we had to have that. So where do we stop? AKQJTxxAKQJxxxAKQTxxxAKQ5432 and where do we get similar odds with an 8 card suit. I.e. is AKJT5432 close enough odds to AKQ5432 to warrant a gambling 3NT. My gut tells me that it is. Bottom line is I would try gambling 3NT And when do we run? Surely not every time the opps X or they would always X. the numbers are there: 82.4% vs 73.5% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted July 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 It looked like 1 or 5 to me at the table, a little surprised at all the 3NTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I'll go with 4♦. If LHO happens to bid 4♥ and pard axes this, so much the better :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 3NT is not quite LOL for me but I definitely don't like it. Maybe my standards for LOL are higher than other people's. Anyway this is a pretty normal 5♦ for me, maybe a bit on the heavy side at the vulnerability. I will usually choose a preempt ahead of a one level opening if it's close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I like 5♦ at this vul. If I open 4♦ and it goes 4♥ p p I'll feel guilty. At neither vul I'd open 4♦, at only our side vul I'd open 1♦, and at both vul I'd choose between those but probably lean toward 1♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I like 5♦ at this vul. If I open 4♦ and it goes 4♥ p p I'll feel guilty. At neither vul I'd open 4♦, at only our side vul I'd open 1♦, and at both vul I'd choose between those but probably lean toward 1♦. Surely that must depend on what partner expects for a 4♦ preempt. If partner expects this much and does not dive then we should be ok - at least on average. For me this is 4♦ we expect a little more for 5♦. Although I wouldn't mind too much if partner chose 5♦ but she knows I might raise to six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Perhaps a good strategy is to open 4♦ and doubling 4M to say "I want to bid 5♦ but I'm xing 4M just in case". A 5♦ opener usually just gets doubled and we probably donate 500 - which may bad or it may be good. I could open 1♦ but then I wouldn't know what a 5♦ rebid looks like. Oh wait.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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