Second seat

[Bbradley62]

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sj76haq9543dkcj93]133|100|Scoring: XIMP[/hv]

[cloa513]

Partner needs a very good quality second suit of spades or clubs to make that more viable and low value singleton KD makes the preempt preferable.

[Furlan]

2♥. Not close, especially on 2nd seat.

[Siegmund]

Doesn't strike me as close in 1st or 3rd seat either, to be honest. 2♥ for me too.

[655321]

1♥

 

I have an opening hand, so I open it. Also I don't see any reason for going out of my way to show a preempt in a suit of AQ9543.

 

However, if GIB did something else (2♥ or pass) I certainly wouldn't regard it as a bug worthy of posting in the GIB forum.

[hanp]

Wouldn't open 2H, it seems too far off.

 

Pass or 1H depending on opening style.

[whereagles]

I don't care much for this, as both 1 and 2♥ are pretty much ok in my book.

[Phil]

2♥ probably. 1♥ is OK too, especially at IMPs.

 

Its a pass that leaves me scratching my head.

[hanp]

I voted for pass. I think an 11-count is too much for a weak 2, and especially in second seat I want my hand to be close to what's expected.

[gnasher]

1♥ looks completely obvious to me.

[MickyB]

Wouldn't open 2H, it seems too far off.

 

Pass or 1H depending on opening style.

..

[jdonn]

I think 2♥ in second seat would be fine if vul, I'll open 1♥ if not vul.

[MickyB]

I think 2♥ in second seat would be fine if vul

Please, I've just eaten

[CSGibson]

2♥. That's the bid I would make if my hand were Kxx AQxxxx x Jxx, and this hand is worse.

[jdonn]

I think 2♥ in second seat would be fine if vul

Please, I've just eaten

Hmm? Jxx K Jxx is worth 5 points these days or else Brits will start vomitting?

[MickyB]

I think 2♥ in second seat would be fine if vul

Please, I've just eaten

Hmm? Jxx K Jxx is worth 5 points these days or else Brits will start vomitting?

It's not about points - I'm quite happy to pass, but I think preempting 2nd seat vul on such a defensive hand is horrible.

[jdonn]

It's a very fair point that we have a lot of defense but I still think 2♥ is more effective than pass. Usually LHO will open in third seat and we will have to overcall next round anyway, so we are just missing a chance to get in his way.

[peachy]

Never Pass. I can imagine a very likely third seat 2S-P-P- or a third seat 1S -P-2S- and what would I do then?

[gszeszycki]

2h risks missing spade suit (with a cruddy suit to boot)

1h risks getting us overboard with what is probably a better defensive than offensive hand

 

we still have a partner and if they cannot open the bidding it is hugely unlikely we missed anything much.

 

I choose the cowardly pass at imps

[gwnn]

I agree with 655321, especially the last part.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

It is either Pass or 2H.

 

A mood thing, most likely I would go with Pass.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Bbradley62]

It looks like this would have been a more interesting poll if I had asked y'all to rank the three possible calls from best to worst, as Pass seems to have an awful lot of secondary support. I'm used to an approach that says there's no such thing as a hand that's too good to open 2 but not good enough to open 1; with a borderline hand like this one, you have to pick one or the other. I guess that if you pass, you plan on taking charge if partner bids, since you'll never convince him that you hold this hand.

[gwnn]

This "there is no hand too strong to a weak 2 and too weak for a 1 level opening" theorem only applies when you have a good suit, say

 

KQT9xx

 

If you add high card points continuously to a hand that has this heart suit, I agree that it will be in the beginning a 2♥ opener then at one point it will turn into a 1♥ opener. However, if the heart suit is bad, full of holes (J7xxxx), then it will be ineligible for a weak two opener and it will only be eligible for a 1 level opener when the total HCP is above, say, 11 or so, all things being equal (J7xxxx AKx Jx Kx for some people).

 

more controversial section: Also it is not unreasonable to say that

 

Kxxxxx

x

xxx

xxx

is an acceptable weak 2♠ opening in some seats but

 

Kxxxxx

Q

QJx

QTx

 

is neither a 2♠ opening, nor a 1♠ opening.

 

The reason being that the second hand is too quacky. So by adding low quality HCP to a hand previously suitable for a weak two, it has become ineligible because a too high % of points are in the forms of queens and jacks. I am avoiding the expression ODR since I think too many people are using it too often in wrong contexts.

[mikeh]

I would open 2♥, but wouldn't object to 1♥.

 

As for pass: count me out. And that isn't because I ascribe to what I consider to be one of the silliest 'rules' in bridge: that there is no hand too strong to open 2♥ and too weak to open 1♥.

 

My style is maybe a little more conservative than many posters, hence my willingness to open 2♥ in 2nd seat. I would chose 1♥ if my suit were AQ10xxx

[neilkaz]

I'm oldfashioned enough to open this 2♥ in 2nd seat as the stiff K is downgrade.

 

However, if PD chooses 1♥ I won't say a word against it.