Orla Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 This hand came up during a just-for-fun teams afternoon of live bridge. Scoring was IMPs: ♠ J♥ A K X X X X X♦ X♣ K X X X What would you open in 1st or 2nd seat? If you open 1♥ what is your rebid after 1♠ and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 A 4H opening is not as bad as it looks. Depends a bit on vulnerability. When we're NV vs V for example our missed slams aren't as big a loss and their missed games are big wins. Some other people will say that it's better to open 4H when we're V because then you show some cards. I don't agree with them.A 3H opening is completely stupid.1H is the normal opening so I will make it. Over 1S I will bid 2C. We've made it this far without competition so it means we may as well try to describe our hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 1H is the normal opening so I will make it. Over 1S I will bid 2C. We've made it this far without competition so it means we may as well try to describe our hand. We have different views on how to describe a minimum opening bid with a lot of hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 I don't think this is a minimum opening bid though:) I'd like to raise partner's 2♥ to 3♥ for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 I would open 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 1H is the normal opening so I will make it. Over 1S I will bid 2C. We've made it this far without competition so it means we may as well try to describe our hand. I agree with this plan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 1♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 none of the above. no response is really possible without knowing the colo(u)rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 1♥ then 2♥ for me which I prefer to 1♥ then 2♣ with a 7 bagger, but at favorable vul I think I'd just shoot out 4♥ in first seat. EDIT: Yes, as others have pointed out, it would have been good if the OP had mentioned the vulnerably which will always matter for any preempt situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Vulnerability matters! Choices for me are 1H-then-2H and opening-4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegill Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 1st fav, I would open 4♥ because I think the preemptive value is very high. 1st other or 2nd I would open 1♥, because I don't really ODR for preempting. If partner has a singleton heart, I could easily have 3 defensive tricks. Change the hand to x KQJxxxx x Axxx and now I would open 4♥ at all except maybe 2nd unfav. If I open 1♥, obv rebid 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Why is 3H an option? Its 4H or 1H, the lack of aces prefers 4H, there is also a lack of depth of hearts honours- partner need quite a lot to continue in hearts or offer clubs. Its also that the second suit is a minor and though spades is OK if the quality of your hand is biased towards hearts as a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Why is 3H an option? Its 4H or 1H, the lack of aces prefers 4H, there is also a lack of depth of hearts honours- partner need quite a lot to continue in hearts or offer clubs. Its also that the second suit is a minor and though spades is OK if the quality of your hand is biased towards hearts as a contract. Touchdown. The crowd is cheering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 dead easy 4♥ to me. 1♥ works better when we have a slam, but I think that's rather unlikely. In all other cases 4♥ is more adequate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Would open 4H. After opening 1H, I think I'd rebid 4H. rebidding 2C seems really bad to me, partner could easily pass with 4H cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 1714 distribution and we are given free reign in this auction?! What's up?! Try to imagine hands around this table with sane players. EDIT: Yea aquahombre, doesn't that picture answer what should be bid? Monster misfit or partner knows what he'll do next over 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Hi, 1H, followed by 4H. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 1714 distribution and we are given free reign in this auction?! What's up?! Try to imagine hands around this table with sane players.[hv=n=skjxxhxdqxxxxcjxx&w=saxxhjtxdtxxxcatx&e=sqtxxxhqxdakxcqxx&s=sxhakxxxxxdjckxxx]399|300|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Would open 4H. After opening 1H, I think I'd rebid 4H. rebidding 2C seems really bad to me, partner could easily pass with 4H cold. How do you define 1H then 4H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 How do you define 1H then 4H? I define it as a hand that looks like a 4♥ opening but is a bit too strong. Rather like what we've got, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I like 1♥ then 3♥, we are unlikely to miss a game if partner passes. But I see no big problem with just opening 4♥. I think opening 1♥ and rebidding either 2♣ or 2♥ is just a great way to miss a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 josh, the Great Underbidder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 What lol I was disagreeing with the 1♥ then 2♥ underbidders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Josh, the Medium Underbidder? Actually, I don't think that's true: I think 1♥ .. 3♥ shows a different hand from 1♥ .. 4♥, rather than a weaker one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 My thinking is that if partner passes 3♥ we have usually done the right thing to avoid game. I'm not worried partner bids 3NT expecting a different hand, I'll pull to 4♥ anyway and be no worse off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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