OSH Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 ...like me NORTH'S HAND♠: AQ♥: KQxx♦: A109x♣: AQx SOUTH'S HAND♠: J8532♥: A10xx♦: Qx♣: Kx The bidding is not important, or better: the bidding is important because you are playing 6♥ from the wrong side......The opening lead is diamond 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Woops, I didn't see this was beginner/intermediate... I've hidden my answer so everyone can still try :rolleyes: Why is this the wrong side? Do you want opps to lead throught ♦Q? Doesn't make much difference imo. Bidding in MOSCITO (south starts):1♥ - 1♠ (1♥ = 4+♠, can have longer m, 9-15 ; 1♠ = inv+ relay)2♥ - 2♠ (2♥ = 5+♠, 4♥ ; 2♠ = relay, GF)3♣ - 3♦ (3♣ = 5-4-2-2 ; 3♦ = relay)3♥ - 6♥ (3♥ = 6 Slam Points) Bidding in MOSCITO (north starts and only bids relays):1♣ - 1♦ (GF, any except 5440)1♥ - 1♠ (singlesuited ♦/♥ or 2-suited with ♥)1NT - 2♣ (2-suited ♥-♠)2♦ - 3♦ (5-4-2-2)3♥ - 3♠ (6 Slam Points)6♥ So when North starts the bidding it's rightsided, and North's hand will be unknown! As for the play: take ♦A, play ♥K and Q, play 3 rounds of ♣ discarding your ♦, ♠A and Q, and if they don't take you can crossruff to victory, if they take, you can create your ♠s. I suspect trumps are 3-2, if they're 4-1 it's another story... EDIT: no need to hide the text anymore imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSH Posted August 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Why is this the wrong side? Do you want opps to lead throught ♦Q? Doesn't make much difference imo. In your line of play, you consider your ♦Q as a 2, so if you play from north you can try to win the first trick with it, preserving an entry in south.....Anyway, your line would have assured the contract.But I have a question: running 2 rounds of trumps before playing spades loses if spades are 4-2 and the short opponent has ♥Jxx, why not to play on spades immediately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 It has both it's advantages and disadvantages. I'm just guarding against ♠-♥ 4-3 and 2-2. Perhaps another line is better, but I'm sleepy today :huh: About that ♦Q: in the current situation she really is nothing more than a 2. Say you win the first trick with ♦Q, you still have to go over ♠K and set ♠s up, whatever line you choose. So why take this unnecessary risk to finesse ♦K if you can discard your loser on ♣s, and try to create the ♠s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 About that ♦Q: in the current situation she really is nothing more than a 2. I think OSH referred to the diamond layout as one of the reasons why it would be better fort N to be declarer: he would not be forced to decide immediately how to play diamonds and would have an extra tempo to try the spade finesse without having to ruff in S hand with entry problems for cashing spades once established. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 I think there is a clear improvement over Free's line: Instead of ♠A and Q, you start by running the queen. If they take it, you still have two entries to your hand to get the ♠J.This guards against spades 5-2. (I assume that hearts split 3-2, too lazy to think about what is best in case of a 4-1 split. A very tough B/I hand IMHO :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 I think there is a clear improvement over Free's line: Instead of ♠A and Q, you start by running the queen. If they take it, you still have two entries to your hand to get the ♠J.This guards against spades 5-2. (I assume that hearts split 3-2, too lazy to think about what is best in case of a 4-1 split. A very tough B/I hand IMHO :) This hardly seems an improvement. They win the ♠K and force you to ruff a diamond. Now you need 3-3 spades are you are sunk... spade to ace, trump your hand (your last entry). Now if SPADE JACK fails to pick up the pieces you are toast. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSH Posted August 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 About that ♦Q: in the current situation she really is nothing more than a 2. I think OSH referred to the diamond layout as one of the reasons why it would be better fort N to be declarer: he would not be forced to decide immediately how to play diamonds and would have an extra tempo to try the spade finesse without having to ruff in S hand with entry problems for cashing spades once established.Avoiding the diamond lead has the advantage that you don't need to waste your ♣K and preserve it as an entry. Of course, if you play the correct line you don't need this extra entry... :angry: For example, playing ♠Q before ♠A, or taking the spade finesse, needs this extra entry. The line suggested by Cherdano fails also if the opponent, after taking ♠K, plays ♥J, again wasting an entry to hand.I think that the key concept is "if they don't take you can crossruff to victory (Free)". I didn't realize this at the table, despite I have only to count my winners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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