whereagles Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Where do you think you're going? To slam? AQJxxxx Qxx Ax x. AQJxxx Qxx Axx x. AQJxxxx Qx x Axx. QJxxxxx Qx A Axx. All of those are obvious 3♠ rebids playing precision. Except perhaps the 2nd one which, facing a 2/1 in hearts, is pretty much GF anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 not to mention that (at least for me) 3♠ shows a solid suit and sets trumps... Precision is not 2/1 GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Where do you think you're going? To slam? AQJxxxx Qxx Ax x. AQJxxx Qxx Axx x. AQJxxxx Qx x Axx. QJxxxxx Qx A Axx. All of those are obvious 3♠ rebids playing precision. Except perhaps the 2nd one which, facing a 2/1 in hearts, is pretty much GF anyway. After a 2/1 we (and most people?!) play the jump rebid sets trumps and shows a better suit than those hands have. Did you miss in the opening post when I said 2♥ was forcing to game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 I don't have any more comments, but let me just ask you one thing. In "most people" jump rebid scheme, 1♠ 2♥3♠ 3NT is what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmilne Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 I don't have any more comments, but let me just ask you one thing. In "most people" jump rebid scheme, 1♠ 2♥3♠ 3NT is what? You can't set trumps then un-set them. 3NT is serious... Jump rebids by opener are to express (very) specific hand types, rather than general enthusiasm, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 Wandering into this one late: 1. I have long played styles in which one cue bids 1st / 2nd round controls, as well as length / shortage. Playing this style, its often impossible to transition from cue bidding into Blackwood. 4NT takes a lot of different meanings, but it is very rarely an Ace Ask (or even key card) once cuebidding has started. 2. I think that the single worst bid is the 5♦ response over 5♣. This should confirm a first round control. I think that Han's giirlfriend was spot on: at this point in time 5♥ is much better. (I'd go so far to say that 5♦ is the only bid that I don't like) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 While I don't necessarily agree with some of the earlier bidding, I do agree with hrothgar (and others) that the point where the wheels really fell off was with the 5D bid. South has already cued diamonds once, he can't cue them again on a singleton because North is entitled to think he has the ace. edit: I suppose I should add that I've never played a style where you cue bid first/second round controls indiscriminately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 While I don't necessarily agree with some of the earlier bidding, I do agree with hrothgar (and others) that the point where the wheels really fell off was with the 5D bid. South has already cued diamonds once, he can't cue them again on a singleton because North is entitled to think he has the ace. edit: I suppose I should add that I've never played a style where you cue bid first/second round controls indiscriminately. So should north force to slam based entirely on the 4♦ bid with KT AKxxx xx Axxx? I was south (duh) and could buy that I shouldn't bid 5♦ but I think I must bid either 5♦ or 5♥. In the context of the earlier sign off and opposite partner's bidding my hand is quite good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 With the South hand I'd have driven slam after 5♣, so even though I don't quite understand 5♦ I don't think it was the cause of the problem. With the example South hand you mentioned earlier in the thread, AQJxxx Qxx Axx x, I don't think South should sign off in 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted July 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 With the South hand I'd have driven slam after 5♣, so even though I don't quite understand 5♦ I don't think it was the cause of the problem. I wanted to see if partner could bid 5♥ so I could differentiate something like Kx AKxxx xx Axxx from Kx Axxxx xx AKxx. I still think it seems quite reasonable? That's also why I didn't choose 5♥, because that would get partner to bid slam himself with the second example IMO. I agree that AQJxxx Qxx Axx x shouldn't sign off in 4♠ over 4♥. Keycard seems fine and then we will find the heart king if it's there with the keycards and bid a grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petterb Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 I agree that AQJxxx Qxx Axx x shouldn't sign off in 4♠ over 4♥.Opener can't have that hand when he bids 4D over 3S. 4D IMO denies club control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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