After a Michaels cue bid

[abbadagg]

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West and East hands are shown above. North opens 1♣ and rebids 3♣. How should the bidding go? Thanks.

 

Al

[aguahombre]

How did North get to bid 3C, after West bid 4♥?

[bonxie]

This is interesting. Looking at the two hands together I think game is well below the odds (that heart finesse is significantly less than 50-50 after the opening)

 

Looking at the West hand alone

 

1) Hands short of one of p's suits and long in the other make a lot of tricks in these auctions but...

2) That diamond suit will only be worth a significant offensive trick on perhaps half the deals or less

 

So I think its really close between an invite and a blast to game. I'd probably bid 4♥ at teams even none vulnerable and invite at pairs. but its also true that 4♥ might technically be a good save against their 3NT [6 clubs , A A K♥] Whether declarer will take the deep club finesse is another matter.

 

As to the play in 4♥, if south turns up with any of the three none heart aces I think I am playing for the drop in hearts

[pooltuna]

This is interesting. Looking at the two hands together I think game is well below the odds (that heart finesse is significantly less than 50-50 after the opening)

 

Looking at the West hand alone

 

1) Hands short of one of p's suits and long in the other make a lot of tricks in these auctions but...

2) That diamond suit will only be worth a significant offensive trick on perhaps half the deals or less

 

So I think its really close between an invite and a blast to game. I'd probably bid 4♥ at teams even none vulnerable and invite at pairs. but its also true that 4♥ might technically be a good save against their 3NT [6 clubs , A A K♥] Whether declarer will take the deep club finesse is another matter.

 

As to the play in 4♥, if south turns up with any of the three none heart aces I think I am playing for the drop in hearts

if you swap the minor holdings in either hand it has a pretty negative impact as well nevertheless 3♥ is THE call :P for the west hand IMO

[Phil]

if you swap the minor holdings in either hand it has a pretty negative impact as well nevertheless 3♥ is THE call :) for the west hand IMO

Yes, I agree because partner will always have the ♠KQ instead of the Ace and the ♥QJ instead of the King :P

[quiddity]

I'm not sure about "standard" responses to the cuebid - is 3♥ invitational? My partnerships play that a jump is preemptive and 2NT is the invitational/asking bid.

[gwnn]

Well I admit I might not bid 2♣ from East I'm used to intermediate+ two suited bids, but I know that I should be a little less strict when nonvulnerable and when I bid with the majors. I might bid 1 or 2♠ and thereupon miss hearts quite surely. Life is a never-ending learning process.

[CSGibson]

I'm not sure about "standard" responses to the cuebid - is 3♥ invitational? My partnerships play that a jump is preemptive and 2NT is the invitational/asking bid.

We play that a re-cue is invitational+ (sequence would be (1♣)-2♣-(p)-3♣...)

[pooltuna]

if you swap the minor holdings in either hand it has a pretty negative impact as well nevertheless 3♥ is THE call  :)  for the west hand IMO

Yes, I agree because partner will always have the ♠KQ instead of the Ace and the ♥QJ instead of the King :(

Okay I'm sold!! Time for a simul to choose the right call after the Michael's call.