Responsive Double

[cherdanno]

No rebid problem? What do you bid over 1D 1NT? Over 1D 1H 1S 1NT?

I would have thought none of the top 100000 players in the world would refuse to open a strong NT on a 4243 16 count, but I see I have to make an exception for Oleberg.

[gwnn]

but isn't the AKQ part that screams for suit play?

 

Would also AJxx Jx Qxxx Axx scream for suit play? (i.e. would you refuse to open it a weak NT?) I don't think so..

[whereagles]

Last time I acted on a hand like this LHO was 18-19 balanced, redoubled and when the smoke cleared I was -1100 down... LOL.

 

That was a long time ago, but I still remember eheh.

But you might have forgotten all the times a marginal action payd off.

Not quite. My pard once had something like 4414 and 5 hcp and heard opps (Brogeland/Saur, mind you) bidding:

 

(3♦) dbl (4♦) ??

 

and tried a responsive double, finding me with a decent 15 and 4♥ making easy for a 10 imps gain.

 

Ok, so his action was marginal, but he did have the shape to make up for it. "All marginals are equal, but some are more equal than others." :blink:

[OleBerg]

No rebid problem? What do you bid over 1D 1NT? Over 1D 1H 1S 1NT?

I would have thought none of the top 100000 players in the world would refuse to open a strong NT on a 4243 16 count, but I see I have to make an exception for Oleberg.

Flattery will get you nowhere. (Anyway, Marshall Miles advocate this style too, so that makes two of us.)

 

I pass. I don't consider it a problem. Of course it might go wrong, but it might go right too.

 

Passing, and the involved risk, is a part of the pro's and con's of opening 1♦.

 

The risk is not high, as I will be sure to play in the right denomination. A missed 55% 3NT might easily turn out good.

 

If I face notorious misdefenders I might invite, and if I play in a field of highly varying strength, I will be more reluctant to open 1♦.

 

But against equals, slightly worse or betters, I see no problem with a style that can choose to open 1♦

[OleBerg]

but isn't the AKQ part that screams for suit play?

It is part of it. But on the OP's hand, so large a percentage of our points points towards suit-play. Not so on your hand. Also, the ♠J is a notorious NT-value

 

Would also AJxx Jx Qxxx Axx scream for suit play? (i.e. would you refuse to open it a weak NT?) I don't think so.

I wouldn't. But change the two J's to the ♦K, and I have no problem with 1♦. (In a 12-14 context.)

 

Edit:

Also, 1NT(12-14) has a preemptive value.

And with 15-17 you go to game more often. Of course you tell the opponents something too, but you always do that, when you explore carefully.

[hanp]

Not really. The hand is very suit-oriented, and I can hardly have a rebid problem. (Especially if my agreements are, that such hand can opened one of a suit. The style is absolutely playable in pairs.)

Say partner bids 1NT, what rebid shows a 1NT opener in this style?

[Fluffy]

I am curious if west found the endplay or the triple spade finese.

 

oh wait partner played ruff& discard again :(

[bluecalm]

Very simple hand.

While S's double was certainly very aggressive and maybe just insane it has some ways to win and can't lose that much on average. Maybe even 4♥ down one will beat -110 in 3♦.

 

N's pass is just crazy. It would be bad at equal vulnerability but at red vs white it's one of the worst bid I saw in a while :(

 

Opening 1♦ with W's hand is difficult to judge not knowing the system they use. In standard 1NT is clear cut, how it is even a question ?

 

no rebid problems

 

What about:

1♦ - 2♣

????

 

Where your carefully chosen agreements (whatever they are) just collapse... (again assuming standard).

[ONEferBRID]

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1♦-dbl-3♦-dbl-p-p-p

Contract made [/hv]

 

Thank you guys.Based on your replies I have promised my Partner that next time I will not double on 3 hcp whether at mps or imps.But I still think.... :(

I don't understand the North hand converting the Responsive DBL to penalty ...knowing your side has a 10 card ♥ fit ( via the Responsive DBL showing both majors ) thereby rendering even the ♥A as possibly worthless ( and the ♥K as definietly worthless) on defense .

[phil_20686]

also, no one has pointed out yet that it looks like 3d should go off. how does declarer get more than 8 tricks? he must have somehow tricked north into giving away a rough and discard, but that seems to require some pretty unlikely card reading given the auction? playing the original doubler to be 1-6 in the majors?

 

i guess maybe a small spade switch would might clue in a declarer to pick up the spades but it looks a bit unlikely to me? what was the defense?

[neilkaz]

You can't act lol. If partner has extras he will double again!

Exactly...easy pass...need more for a resp X.

[zasanya]

also, no one has pointed out yet that it looks like 3d should go off. how does declarer get more than 8 tricks? he must have somehow tricked north into giving away a rough and discard, but that seems to require some pretty unlikely card reading given the auction? playing the original doubler to be 1-6 in the majors?

 

i guess maybe a small spade switch would might clue in a declarer to pick up the spades but it looks a bit unlikely to me? what was the defense?

Very embarassing question phil.P opened ♥ A and shifted to ♠ (happens to be 2 yuk). Declarer took my 9 with Ace ;ruffed a ♥ and played ♦.P took J K A and Played ♥.Now declarer instead of pitching ♠ pitched a ♣ from hand and played ♠ and I played ♠ 10.

My only defence is it was acbl speedball and this was deal 2 and 4 minutes were left for deal 3 and I was so taken aback by Partner's 6 card ♥ not to speak of his ♦ AKJ that I just assumed Partner's ♠ was from Hx2 and he has to have Club A and my card didnt matter.Alas it did and how. :(

[Fluffy]

also, no one has pointed out yet that it looks like 3d should go off.

its nice to be a no one, with some effort I might improve into a gwnn or something, but I'll have to work hard.

[dake50]

Doesn't S:x H:AKxxxx D:AKJ C:Q109 look like a 1H overcall,

then double 2S when that anticipated comes back?

Where then is the boundary between T/O dbl then suit VS. suit then T/O dbl.

Lucky this didn't explode into decide 5H or not against 4S-X.

[OleBerg]

Not really. The hand is very suit-oriented, and I can hardly have a rebid problem. (Especially if my agreements are, that such hand can opened one of a suit. The style is absolutely playable in pairs.)

Say partner bids 1NT, what rebid shows a 1NT opener in this style?

Pass or 2NT.

[OleBerg]

What about:

1♦ - 2♣

????

 

Where your carefully chosen agreements (whatever they are) just collapse... (again assuming standard).

If I have carefully chosen agreements, surely I would know whether they can handle a 1♦ opening on the hand. If they can't, I shouldn't open 1♦.

 

Anyway, had I somehow bid 1♦ without previous discussion, I would simply bid 2♠.

 

If partner really interpret

 

1♦ - 2♣

2♠ - 4♦

6♣

 

as a splinter; bad luck.