zasanya Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sj1094hq1074d10c8654]133|100|Scoring: MP1♦-dbl-3♦-?Opponents playing SAYC 3♦ alerted as preemptive[/hv]Your bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 looks like a pass to me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Yep, toys are fun only when your hand values match them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 pass bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose (except a partner). Just pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 In principle this is a double at MP's. But you have to be sure partner is on the wavelength. At IMP's pass is clearcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 28, 2010 Report Share Posted June 28, 2010 Does partner know to reopen to let us land at 3-level? Immediate action invites 4M on this 4441-3hcp?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Criteria? Some HCP maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted June 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Criteria? Some HCP maybe?About 25 hcp are accounted for, preemptor cannot have much .Either P or LHO or both have a better than normal opening hand;Partner's hcp are better placed; you have 4 card support for one or both majors .So how many hcp you need to have to double?If you pass what sort of a hand will doubler need to to reopen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Preemptor doesn't have a lot, but can easily have more than we do. Opener doesn't have to be bare minimum. The problem with the responsive double is that if it could get you to a good major suit partial, partner will bid four. But if you belong in a good major suit partial, partner will make another double, and you then get to 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Preemptor doesn't have a lot, but can easily have more than we do. Opener doesn't have to be bare minimum. The problem with the responsive double is that if it could get you to a good major suit partial, partner will bid four.Surely thats just a case of agreement. But if you belong in a good major suit partial, partner will make another double, and you then get to 3.With our diamond holding, partner may have some lenght in diamonds, and might easily not be able to reopen. You have all noticed this is MP's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 I noticed that it's MPs, and I assume partner did, too. He probably also noticed that we're red against white. In addition to the other reasons for passing, the hand with the diamond length is usually better positioned to evaluate the ODR. He can diagnose our shortness and ruff bad diamonds on offense, or smack 'em upside the head with good diamonds on defense. The distribution is nice, but I have to say, doesn't seem like a close call to me. I trust partner to do something intelligent if 3♦ gets back to him and he has his fair share (or more) of the missing points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 You have all noticed this is MP's? You have noticed this is bridge? Ok, sorry, more seriously - what about being unfavourable at matchpoints is so different to being unfavourable at IMPs? Either way, we don't particularly want to compete unless we'll have chances of making 3M. Obviously, going one off at pairs can be a good board if they are making 3D; It can also be a terrible board if they find a double, or we may drift two off undoubled. Yes, you could agree to act on a hand this weak, but how is partner to know when to bid game if you could have this or you could have a hand two tricks better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 You can't act lol. If partner has extras he will double again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Preemptor doesn't have a lot, but can easily have more than we do. Opener doesn't have to be bare minimum. The problem with the responsive double is that if it could get you to a good major suit partial, partner will bid four.Surely thats just a case of agreement. It's not a case of agreement. You have to bid game when you get a 7 count? Either that or partner has no clue what to do at all if you act. Also if you are too high you are too high whether you followed your agreements or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted June 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=s2hak9653dakjcq109&w=sakq7hj8dq976ca73&e=s8653h2d85432ckj2&s=sj1094hq1074d10c8654]399|300|Scoring: MP1♦-dbl-3♦-dbl-p-p-pContract made [/hv] Thank you guys.Based on your replies I have promised my Partner that next time I will not double on 3 hcp whether at mps or imps.But I still think.... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Whilst your responsive double was a gross overbid, I don't think that's the reason that you got a bad board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 I don't think your partner made one bad bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Personal fouls around the table: W: 1 (I assume they play strong NT)N: 2E: 0.5 (normally you want to bid your 4 card suit but at MP it works often to conceal it)S: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 I think you're doing East an injustice. 3♦ was fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Personal fouls around the table: W: 1 (I assume they play strong NT) Not really. The hand is very suit-oriented, and I can hardly have a rebid problem. (Especially if my agreements are, that such hand can opened one of a suit. The style is absolutely playable in pairs.)N: 2 Definitely.E: 0.5 (normally you want to bid your 4 card suit but at MP it works often to conceal it) Agree. Exchange the Majors, and I find 3♦ clearcut.S: 1Like already stated, I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 I am not happy to open 4252 either with 1NT, let alone 4243 ugh now I'm supposed to bid my suits just because I have AKQx? :blink: Next is AKT9 and then.. :blink: And what happens with 2NT openers then? Almost all of them will have AKQx or AKJxx.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Last time I acted on a hand like this LHO was 18-19 balanced, redoubled and when the smoke cleared I was -1100 down... LOL. That was a long time ago, but I still remember eheh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 Last time I acted on a hand like this LHO was 18-19 balanced, redoubled and when the smoke cleared I was -1100 down... LOL. That was a long time ago, but I still remember eheh. But you might have forgotten all the times a marginal action payd off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted June 29, 2010 Report Share Posted June 29, 2010 I am not happy to open 4252 either with 1NT, let alone 4243 ugh now I'm supposed to bid my suits just because I have AKQx? :blink: Next is AKT9 and then.. :blink: And what happens with 2NT openers then? Almost all of them will have AKQx or AKJxx.. I assume this is a reply to my post. It is not because of AKQx, it is because the whole hand screams "suit-play" AND because you have no rebid problems. This is MP's, and a diamond partial might easily outscore NT. At IMP's it is another matter, I would be more reluctant to not open 1NT, as showing my strength is more importent. (Missed games are expensive, wrong partial not so.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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