InTime Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sakqt95h8dajt87ca]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]Playing 2/1 and following the believers of not opening 2♣ with a two-suited hand, the bidding went as follows:West. . . North . . . East . . . SouthPass . . . Pass . . . .Pass . . . 1SPass . . . 1NT . . . . 2H . . . . . ? If East would have passed, 3♦ would be an easy 100% forcing bid.However, after the 2♥ from East, is 3♦ still regarded as 100% forcing?If not, what is a 100% forcing bid?Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sakqt95h8dajt87ca]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]Playing 2/1 and following the believers of not opening 2♣ with a two-suited hand, the bidding went as follows:West. . . North . . . East . . . SouthPass . . . Pass . . . .Pass . . . 1SPass . . . 1NT . . . . 2H . . . . . ? If East would have passed, 3♦ would be an easy 100% forcing bid.However, after the 2♥ from East, is 3♦ still regarded as 100% forcing?If not, what is a 100% forcing bid?Regards IMV given IMPS; 3♦ strikes me as forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 For me, 3♦ would be non-forcing. The only available forcing actions are 3♥, 4♦, or double followed by 3♦. I'd bid 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 3D should be forcing ( new suit at the 3-level by an unpassed partner in a competitive auction ). However, I like the 4H!-jump cue self-splinter for Sp with this big hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 This came up in the most recent IMP magazine. A couple of panel members play 3♦ as forcing but most agree with Gnasher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 I have a very strong preference for 3♦ being NF. So important to be able to introduce new suits without fearing that the bidding must go on forever. Imps or mp. A decent 5-5 should bid 3♦. The actual rare monster hand is then a problem but only a small one. I'd try 3♥ but 4♦ is also possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 3♦ non forcing, I don't see the problem, easy 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 3♦ shows a good hand, but is NF. 4♦ is forcing (and not an auto splinter of something odd like that). We've been through this ad nauseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTime Posted June 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 [hv=d=w&v=b&n=sh96542dkq6cq8642&w=s642hkd953ckjt753&e=sj873haqjt73d42c9&s=sakqt95h8dajt87ca]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]For interest here are the full hands. What is responder suppose to do with 3♥ or 4♥ as a splinter? IMO it can only create headaches and not help you at all.Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 I don't see why on earth 3D should be forcing.Even playing good/bad 2NT (which I do in one partnership), a 'good' 3D bid is not forcing. On this hand I would bid 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 What is responder suppose to do with 3♥ or 4♥ as a splinter?Over 3♥ he'd bid 4♣, because he has neither a heart stop nor spade support. Then we would bid 4♦, he would bid 4♥ as a Bluhmer, and we would bid 6♦. Over 4♥, he would probably sign off in 4♠, because although his minor-suit cards look useful, his trump void doesn't. IMO it can only create headaches and not help you at all.If you've already made up your mind, there's not much point in seeking other opinions, is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTime Posted June 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 IMO it can only create headaches and not help you at all.If you've already made up your mind, there's not much point in seeking other opinions, is there?I can assure you that I appreciate all opinions and they are all welcome. However, I have also my own opinion in regards to certain approaches. In that I am not repudiating any opinions . . . if it works for the partnership then I have really nothing to say about it.All I was trying to say that I am not sure that a bid of 3♥ or 4♥ would have helped me going forward.Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Frances covers good/bad. Even if available, this hand is much too strong for a pressure 3D rebid. I really like the idea of 4D, which seems an attempt to avoid torturing responder with unclear follow-ups. For instance a heart cue, then 4D/4C might sound like a cue for clubs or still searching for strain with club tolerance and only 4 diamonds. If you think starting with a heart cue could never be confusing, you haven't been watching the trials on Vugraph where some really silly contracts are reached after long, conplicated auctions where we non-sophisticated souls would have faired better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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