aguahombre Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Does 'Forcing natural' mean you have no agreements about openers rebid? I don't have any specific agreements with anyone about what opener's rebids mean, but I don't need to, because the default meanings are both obvious and adequate for such a rare sequence. 4♠ and 5♦ would be to play, and any new suit would be agreeing diamonds and showing a control, usually shortage. Or what is your expectation and why not mention it instead of pointlessly attacking Campboy.I expect Campboy can look after himself, but I doubt if he feels "attacked" because he expressed an opinion, a few people disagreed with his opinion, he asked a followup question, and he received replies that were intended as both informative and civil.this is the one to which I was referring. It is general, but the level is high. People usually have better, more specific agreements after 3-level (or lower) forcing (somewhat natural) responses to preempts --such as rebidding your suit shows one or zero of the new suit, NT=doubleton, side control with 3, etc. the new suit can even be used to specifically find out that information (might not actually be a real suit, but responder is in charge.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pict Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Thanks Aqua We finally moved from the 'natural and forcing' to: 'I am strong with diamonds and I want you to do the following'... If that is really your (or anyone's/everyones's) definition of 'natural and forcing' that's completely OK with me, once you tell me... and tell me the meaning of the 'following' bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campboy Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 I really do not understand the problem. If you play it as natural and forcing then it means "I have diamonds and a good hand, please do something sensible". If opener now rebids spades, that clearly means "I want to play in spades" and if he raises diamonds that means "ok, let's play in diamonds". A new suit can't be natural because he pre-empted, so obviously it must be a slam-try, presumably agreeing diamonds, and showing a control if that is what slam-tries normally mean for you. 4NT is obviously Turbo :angry: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 No problem. That is what PCT wanted to know. Asked and answered. But, it did give me a chance to zing Gnasher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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