Is it forcing?

[blackshoe]

RHO deals and passes. You open a preemptive 3♠. LHO passes. Partner bids 5♦. Bonus question: what kind of hand does he have?

[Hanoi5]

Unless we have agreed on something special I'd pass 5♦.

[mikeh]

I would expect most players to think this is to play.

 

I would expect some players to think this is exclusion keycard.

 

I would expect some players bidding 5♦ to think one of the foregoing and some of the players who bid 3♠ to think the other, with much amusement ensuing to the opps.

 

Personally, absent agreement to the contrary, I would take this as natural and to play. He is wide open in a rounded suit, else he'd bid 3N. So maybe x x AKQJxxxx AKx or similar...but trying to guess the hand is really a waste of time.

[jjbrr]

exclusion since 4♦ is forcing then 5♦ is signoff.

[jdonn]

Exclusion? NF? Wth? Partner just bid game at his first opportunity to bid. He wants to play there!

[Phil]

I would expect most players to think this is to play.

 

I would expect some players to think this is exclusion keycard.

 

I would expect some players bidding 5♦ to think one of the foregoing and some of the players who bid 3♠ to think the other, with much amusement ensuing to the opps.

 

Personally, absent agreement to the contrary, I would take this as natural and to play. He is wide open in a rounded suit, else he'd bid 3N. So maybe x x AKQJxxxx AKx or similar...but trying to guess the hand is really a waste of time.

I would expect some players would think "none of the above".

 

Asking bid obv.

[campboy]

For me, 4♦ would be cue so 5♦ is to play.

[rogerclee]

umm, not forcing

[peachy]

I am a general agreements person and my general agreement over preempt is that new suit below game is forcing, so this is not forcing.

[nige1]

RHO deals and passes. You open a preemptive 3♠. LHO passes. Partner bids 5♦. Bonus question: what kind of hand does he have?

By agreement, it could be exclusion. Otherwise, a sign-off with say ♠ xx ♥ xx ♦ KQJxxxxxx ♣ -

[movingon]

to play

[gwnn]

Choice of games between hearts and clubs of course. Promises 5 hearts and 7 clubs, but could be 6-7 sometimes. How else are you going to bid it?

[whereagles]

I don't have it defined, but I do have 3♠-4♦ defined as control asking bid, so I would say EKCB.

[gwnn]

so because you don't have a natural diamond bid available on the 4 level, a diamond bid on the 5 level is artificial?

[whereagles]

I have defined as "to play" sequences of this kind

 

2/3/4x 4M

 

except 4♥-4♠, which is a control asking bid. Other bids post-pree are CABs.

 

Dunno if this is the best, but it's liveable.

[andy_h]

First ever bid at the game level is to play.

[jdonn]

The only thing worthwhile to come out of this thread is Phil's quote about me.

 

Oh shoot that was the other thread, I take it back lol.

[blackshoe]

It's not worthwhile to know how the majority of players play a particular call?

[jdonn]

I suppose it will serve me well in the next forums individual.