Pass or 1NT

[dickiegera]

Holding [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sxxhkxxxdq10xxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: MP

Partner opens 1S.

Playing 2/1 and 1NT forcing do you pass or bid 1NT.

 

Thank you[/hv]

[gwnn]

definitely not pass.

[aguahombre]

no right, no wrong, just a choice. I choose pass.

[wank]

i like pass at MPs - i'll try to play at the 1 level rather than the 2 level.

 

at imps it's worth bidding because partner might have half the deck and a heart suit.

[mike777]

easy 1nt

no problem yet.

[pooltuna]

Holding [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sxxhkxxxdq10xxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: MP

Partner opens 1S.

Playing 2/1 and 1NT forcing do you pass or bid 1NT.

 

Thank you[/hv]

INT may produce from partner a ♥ or a ♦ call and with a ♣ call we can always bail with a minimal ♠ call

[ArtK78]

I pass. If you bid, you may wind up in a better strain but at a level that is too high.

[Siegmund]

At MP I like pass. (In general I like my openings lighter and my responses sounder by a point or two than most. It's VERY rare I will respond with less than 6 and no fit.) I will agree it's a close decision.

[hrothgar]

The advantage of bidding is that it gives you some chance to improve the contract. If partner responds two Hearts or two Diamonds you're going to be quite happy.

 

The main disadvantage to bidding is that partner is much more likely to respond 2♣ than <Two red suit>. I don't think that you are particularly well positioned after

 

1♠ - 1N

2♣ - ???

 

2♠ is the obvious rebid, however, I think that this hand is a smidgeon too weak for this to work out well.

 

Give me another Jack or even the 10 / 9 of Hearts and I'd happily bid 1NT. As is, I'm going to reluctantly pass.

[Phil]

At MPs I pass, at IMPs I bid.

 

At MPs, I don't mind defending 2 of a red suit, and if 2♣ comes back I can x.

 

If pard has the majors, I might be sorry.

[Apollo81]

I would pass if vulnerable and bid 1NT if non-vulnerable.

[rogerclee]

Being NV at matchpoints is a reason for bidding 1N, not a reason to pass.

[fromageGB]

I pass happily, IMPS or MPs. Whatever I bid as a correction when partner fails to bid a red suit, it may be too high, or partner may think I have more and go further.

 

With another ♠x I would be more than happy to bid 1NT.

[hanp]

The advantage of bidding is that it gives you some chance to improve the contract. If partner responds two Hearts or two Diamonds you're going to be quite happy.

I think the main advantage is that it is much tougher for the opponents to enter the auction when you bid 1NT. With none-vulnerable at matchpoints, that is huge.

[whereagles]

Seems clear to bid 1NT. You may even have game on on the reds.

[the hog]

I pass. It is only difficult for the opps not to see the cards in their hands if you are playing against children.

[655321]

1NT for me.

[andy_h]

1NT. If partner bids 2C (which should contain 5332's) I'm bidding 2D.

[mcphee]

I can not bring myself to pass at any form of scoring when in is possible my side could score a major suit game opposite very little. Bidding 1NT make it difficult for the next hand to take action and on Fridays and mondays you may hear partner re-bid 2H, how bad can that be. Granted you may also here him bid 3S or 2NT which may leave you in a bad way. However overall I just do not think you should consider passing with what may be a suitable hand for partner in 2 other strains.

[hanp]

I pass. It is only difficult for the opps not to see the cards in their hands if you are playing against children.

OK, please tell us how the grown-ups bid.

 

Say you have a 13-count 3-3-4-3 shape with Kxx in spades. What do you do after 1S passed around to you? And what do you do after 1S - p - 1NT?

 

Do you bid 2C on the same hands after 1S - p - p as after 1S - p - 1NT? Do you require the same strength for a takeout double?

 

If not on this hand, would you ever let vulnerability guide you to respond to a 1-level opening?

[hanp]

If partner bids 2C (which should contain 5332's) I'm bidding 2D.

I don't like that, it's matchpoints and if 2S makes 2D is often going to score very badly.

 

By the way, playing gazilli or bart would often prevent partner from making a third call.

[the hog]

I pass. It is only difficult for the opps not to see the cards in their hands if you are playing against children.

OK, please tell us how the grown-ups bid.

 

Say you have a 13-count 3-3-4-3 shape with Kxx in spades. What do you do after 1S passed around to you? And what do you do after 1S - p - 1NT?

 

Do you bid 2C on the same hands after 1S - p - p as after 1S - p - 1NT? Do you require the same strength for a takeout double?

 

If not on this hand, would you ever let vulnerability guide you to respond to a 1-level opening?

The first hand would be a pretty clear 1NT, would it not? By the way, we played this as 11-16 in the protective seat, with x followed by NT as 17-18.

If it goes (1S) P (1N) and I hold that hand, I would pass. I would expect pd to protect with values. Certainly, I agree that bal hands are more of a problem than hands where you have a genuine suit to bid. Hoever, you don't always have a balanced hand.

 

One further point - not that it applies to this hand - I would overcall immediately on many hands where many posters here would pass and think that is a clear decision.

 

"Do you bid 2C on the same hands after 1S - p - p as after 1S - p - 1NT?"

Yes, 2C here for me would show a decent suit. I would certainly not bid it on some of the hands some posters bid 2m on.

Han, what I find a bit laughable are the comments like McPhee's that 1NT may make it difficult to bid; as if the 1NT bid automatically hides the honour cards you hold in your hand - hence my comment.

 

"If not on this hand, would you ever let vulnerability guide you to respond to a 1-level opening?"

No. My responses, or lack of them in this case, would be the same. Mind you, IF I were playing a big C system, my answers would probably be different. What I am concerned about is sequences like:

 

1S 1NT

2NT etc. The 1NT responders are ignoring their potential losses on hands where opener is strong.

[jdonn]

Passing is really bad IMO. This hand is worth 6 anyway.

 

And what makes you think bidders are ignoring their potential losses?

[the hog]

Passing is really bad IMO. This hand is worth 6 anyway.

 

And what makes you think bidders are ignoring their potential losses?

Sorry Josh, I didn't realise you enjoy masochism. Imo bidding is really poor.

[eyhung]

Passing is really bad IMO. This hand is worth 6 anyway.

 

And what makes you think bidders are ignoring their potential losses?

Sorry Josh, I didn't realise you enjoy masochism. Imo bidding is really poor.

And IMO passing is really poor. You're white at MP. You're playing the form of game where, if you go down 1 or 2 undoubled, you can get a great score, and where frequency of correctness is more important than magnitude. For every time partner ends up overbidding as a result of your response and you end up going down 1 against nothing, you will find multiple heart partials, better diamond partials,, steal the opponent's partial/game, find a nice sac against their partial, or find a NV game. Bidding has many common ways to win, pass relatively few. White matchpoints is a bidder's game -- make the percentage call : 1NT.