jillybean Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Dealer: West Vul: All Scoring: IMP ♠ AJ8 ♥ AQ864 ♦ 9 ♣ AKT3 West North East South Pass Pass Pass 1♥ Pass 1♠ Pass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 3♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 3♣ Agree. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 3♣agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 3♣ and is not going to be easy to bid after that but there is no choice.Jumping on 4 (or even 3) card suits is big hole in standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Dealer: West Vul: All Scoring: IMP ♠ AJ8 ♥ AQ864 ♦ 9 ♣ AKT3 West North East South Pass Pass Pass 1♥ Pass 1♠ Pass 3♣ Pass 3♥ Pass ? Now partner makes a preference for ♥'s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 so we bid 3♠. Usually 3-5-1-4 with game forcing values ;) Life is happy. This auction is going splendidly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 3♠. Still no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 3♣ and is not going to be easy to bid after that but there is no choice.Jumping on 4 (or even 3) card suits is big hole in standard. You say things like that alot but I still haven't heard what your preferred alternative system is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 so we bid 3♠. Usually 3-5-1-4 with game forcing values ;) Life is happy. This auction is going splendidly. Is this agreement common, expert treatment? I would take 3♠ as a cue bid in ♥'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Yes, universal. Hearts aren't agreed yet, 3H is a waiting bid. There was a nice article in the Deal of the Week from the Olympiad in SLC by Fred, I think the first one, unfortunately I can't find it exactly now since I don't have BBO on this computer. Fred was saying that this preference is even possibly done with a singleton heart, it says almost nothing about hearts. This is perfectly analogous to 1H-1S2C-2H2S, except opener has about a Queen more in the case of the 3C auction. Well that's misleading from me, the auction beginning with 2C would show maybe 14-17 and the one beginning with 3C would show 18-21. So the difference is on average a king-ish but there is no gap between the two ranges. Also usually with 14 you wouldn't bid like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Fantastic, please post a link when you can ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I found the site where they have DOTW's online but I don't even have Java on here?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I have found this http://bbi.bridgebase.com/dotw/index.html#dotwindex but which one is it? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 if you have the old Windows client you just look at Bridge Library and you can see the titles and there should be the Olympiad series, maybe 4 or 5 chapters. They are all a good read, you should definitely go through them, I have done it 3 or 4 times already and it's still exciting and a good read ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 <!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> West </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> All </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </th> <td> AJ8 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AQ864 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> 9 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> AKT3 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end --> West North East South Pass Pass Pass 1♥ Pass 1♠ Pass 3♣ Pass 3♥ Pass ? </span> Now partner makes a preference for ♥'s now 3♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 if you have the old Windows client you just look at Bridge Library and you can see the titles and there should be the Olympiad series, maybe 4 or 5 chapters. They are all a good read, you should definitely go through them, I have done it 3 or 4 times already and it's still exciting and a good read ;) Found it, thanks. I will read up after this morning's game. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 3H does not show 3 hearts, so we haven't found a fit, so 3S is natural, not a cue. (4D would be a cue though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 so we bid 3♠. Usually 3-5-1-4 with game forcing values ;) Life is happy. This auction is going splendidly. Is this agreement common, expert treatment? I would take 3♠ as a cue bid in ♥'s. 3♠ is not a cue since 3♥ simply showed a preference between ♥ and ♣ and hasn't yet set trumps. With that in mind the 3♠ bid is also needed to pattern out and show 3 card support since PD might have 5♠ and we belong in ♠. A good rule of thumb is no cue bids at the 3 level unless you are 100% certain that trumps have been agreed. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 3H does not show 3 hearts, so we haven't found a fit, so 3S is natural, not a cue. (4D would be a cue though)I agree that the 3H preference could be as few as 2 cards ♥ with a minimum ( less than limit raise values) --and no 4+cards ♣ .... and probably only 4 cards Sp.( With a limit raise for Hts, Responder would have immediately used their favorite Drury as a passed hand).Then, 3S ( after 3H) by Opener shows 3 card support ( forcing ...as previously established by the 3C jump shift ).- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "pitbulls", and some folks here... including me, suggest that the GF 3C-jump shift may be artificial. Some, including me, also suggest that after 3C! , then 3D! by Responder can be a relay to 3H!. This way Responder has 2 ways ( direct and indirect ) to make bids of 3S, 3NT or 4C -- thus, increasing the number of bids for hand description. Responder's direct 4H can be used for something else other than a limit raise (because of the Drury). So Responder also has 2 ways to make the 4D, 4H, and 4S bids ( w/ or w/o the relay ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 It is deal of the weak 286 or in the articles 2002 IOC Grand Prix Part 4b In the middle of this article Fred hasAT9xxKJTxx-xxx and it went 1D-1S3C-??? it's a nice read. But then again all of the series is a good read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted June 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Thanks. I especially like Fred's comments at the end of this article; "Many players, after a result like this, would spend needless energy thinking about who should have bid what to get where. Joey and I don't think about it at all. We bid what we bid because it seemed right at the time. Thinking about it during the next hand wastes energy. Talking about it at the table is even worse. It doesn't matter who should have bid what. Go onto the next hand" My partner is always telling me this, I booted not 1, not 2, but 3 hands doing this yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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