mohitz Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 ♠xxx ♥AQJ9x ♦x ♣J9xx IMPs, we vul, they not (2♠) - 3♦ - (4♠) - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 X. 5H could certainly work, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Pass. I don't quite have the values for double. Partner is allowed to take it out - it shows transferable values. I would have passed 3♦.Bidding 5♥ would be absolutely crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Pass. I think partner will take the double out on any excuse (like 7 diamond or spade void which he is very likely to have). We don't want that so pass.If we have game to make there is (admittedly small) chance partner reopens. Bidding 5♥ would be absolutely crazy. Yeah, but it may work quite often I think, still it's a bit too much of a stretch for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Thats a clear pass. limited defense against spades. partner probably has 3 hearts but that's not certain 2♥, 1♠, 6♦ 4♣ is a possible shape with less than solid diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I think double is right at this vulnerability. Opps seem to have bid 4♠ on length and partner will not usually reopen notwithstanding his shortness -- he has already bid 3♦ vulnerable against not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Agree with double. If partner takes it out I'm happy - pard has short spades and we rate to make a fair number of tricks in a club/heart contract. I'm also happy with it left in with the singleton diamond. Partner won't have a poor hand with a vul overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I think double is right at this vulnerability. Opps seem to have bid 4♠ on length and partner will not usually reopen notwithstanding his shortness -- he has already bid 3♦ vulnerable against not! what! a voice of reason in the wilderness!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I think double is right at this vulnerability. Opps seem to have bid 4♠ on length and partner will not usually reopen notwithstanding his shortness -- he has already bid 3♦ vulnerable against not! Indeed, 3♦ does not show a piece of cheese on these colours and -590 isn't the end of the world anyway. Passing here gives the opps a licence to steal forever more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I pass. I don't have enough to act - over a x, I don't want to hear 5♦, and I'm not sure I'm happy if pard passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegill Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Pass and honestly I don't think it's that close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Agree with pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 i'd like to smack it for penalties, but X wouldn't be penalties sadly. i can't smack it as it is, because if partner bid 5D i'd vom all over the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 It's not a support double, partner will not pull to 5D just like that. If partner pulls it to 5D I'd be pretty happy. It will often convert something like +100 to -100, big deal, I'm interested in +300 or +600 or +620. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 It will often convert something like +100 to -100, big deal, I'm interested in +300 or +600 or +620. Also sometimes you will wind up in 6♦ as partner will expect better hand for the double, that admittedly is rare. I can see double may work. Pass just seems so "normal" though. We need more opinions/analysis I may well be convinced to double being right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 partner didn't double so he has singleton + doubleton or 2 singletons, 1264 is the most likelly hand for him. I would double, but I expect him to bid 5♣ next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I can see double may work. Pass just seems so "normal" though. We need more opinions/analysis I may well be convinced to double being right. Just a first shot here. ♠2, ♥K2, ♦AQJ643, ♣K1082 feels like a 50-50 or so ♣ game that should probably play for 300, maybe 500 on defence. If it's a freak and they make it, it's 5 imps out of petty cash, well worth it to avoid being labelled as an imp player that can be pushed around. Also usually only a 5 imp loss if 5♣ is bid and goes down 1. ♠2, ♥32, ♦AKJ63, ♣KQ1082 The ♥ finesse should be better than 50-50 after the 2♠ opening. Passing 4♠ could rarely lead to a double game swing with the slightest defensive slip. Pard won't bid unless I hitch/pass will they? I'm not very good at constructing hands but I bet those that are can come up with better hands where pard is handcuffed by your silence. Anyone that comes up with worse hands that overcalled 3♦ need new partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 On the hands where it's right to compete over 4♠, partner may be able to find a double himself. I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Pass. I don't quite have the values for double. Partner is allowed to take it out - it shows transferable values. I would have passed 3♦.Bidding 5♥ would be absolutely crazy. Passing partner's 3D bid is the best way of securing a new partnership. I find it unbelievable to even think of passing that bid. All I can say is that your vulnerable 2 level overcalls do not resemble mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Pass. I don't quite have the values for double. Partner is allowed to take it out - it shows transferable values. I would have passed 3♦.Bidding 5♥ would be absolutely crazy. Passing partner's 3D bid is the best way of securing a new partnership. I find it unbelievable to even think of passing that bid. All I can say is that your vulnerable 2 level overcalls do not resemble mine.I guess you mean 3-level overcalls. But yes, there must be quite a difference in style, since pass is not a close decision for me. Partner's usual hand type is 12-16 hcp and a reasonable or better 6 card suit in diamonds. 3NT seems far away on this misfit. If I bid on I'm essentially gambling on finding partner with 3 card hearts AND enough for game. Very unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 partner didn't double so he has singleton + doubleton or 2 singletons, 1264 is the most likelly hand for him. I would double, but I expect him to bid 5♣ next. Your partner always doubles with 6322? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Dbl seems ideal. Either pard pulls and, given his likely spade singleton, it's a good contract or he leaves it in and it's ok too given our diamond singleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Did they jump to game to make it? I doubt it.But my partner knows nothing, he is in a very bad position to make another bid. I need to help him, so I double and await the next bids. Like Gonzalo I would bet that this is pass and 5 club (or 4 NT if this shows a minor two suiter too...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Pass. I don't quite have the values for double. Partner is allowed to take it out - it shows transferable values. I would have passed 3♦.Bidding 5♥ would be absolutely crazy. Passing partner's 3D bid is the best way of securing a new partnership. I find it unbelievable to even think of passing that bid. All I can say is that your vulnerable 2 level overcalls do not resemble mine.I guess you mean 3-level overcalls. But yes, there must be quite a difference in style, since pass is not a close decision for me. Partner's usual hand type is 12-16 hcp and a reasonable or better 6 card suit in diamonds. 3NT seems far away on this misfit. If I bid on I'm essentially gambling on finding partner with 3 card hearts AND enough for game. Very unlikely. Yes, meant 3 level overcalls. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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