3 doubles

[el mister]

What do you make of this sequence (me south)?

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&n=sak109ha652d9643cj&s=sq85hk984d1087c643]133|200|Scoring: IMP

- - P P

1♣ X 3♣ p

p X p 3♥

p p 4♣ p

p X all pass[/hv]

 

Should I come in over 3♣ with such a pish hand? Anyhow, partner insists (should he?), so I show hearts. What then does his final double mean? Is it a clear penalty?

 

I left it in and we got a good score in the end, so I guess he did well to get the 4♣ bid out of opps.

[Free]

Over 3♣ pass is clear. If partner has extra's he'll Dbl, which is what he did.

 

Your 3♥ is the best you can do obviously: no values or shape to bid 4♥

 

I don't understand partner's Dbl on 4♣: you haven't shown any values yet, he may have 3 tricks, but that's all.

 

Anyway, with the South hand I'd pass 4♣x, because I don't have extras or shape to consider a 4♥ bid (and the Dbl probably indicates there's no ♥ fit). EW are vul, so lets just hope it goes down.

[Codo]

I dislike partners second double.

I hate his 3. double. He got lucky.

[gwnn]

Just because partner has A AK and good shape it doesn't give him the right to sell his hand as a balanced 21 count (the third double I mean). His second double was also false advertising but it could work out sometimes. So you bid perfectly and your partner bid 66% wrong.

[kgr]

Over 3♣ pass is clear. If partner has extra's he'll Dbl, which is what he did.

Did he have extra's?

[vuroth]

Should I come in over 3♣ with such a pish hand?

Imo YES. Partner has promised extras. All he's lacking is direction.

 

I agree with the assessment of your partner's bidding, but I think you have a clear 3♥. It's probably not terribly close to being a pass.

[gwnn]

vuroth? when did partner show extras, I think you're misunderstanding something.

 

The OP had the following questions:

-should he bid over 1C-x-3C-?

-should his partner x again over

1C-x-3C-p

p-?

-whether the double here is for penalties:

1c-x-3C-p

p-x-p-3H

4C-x

 

What you quoted was the first question so partner has not, until that point, shown extras.

[pooltuna]

What do you make of this sequence (me south)?

 

[hv=d=e&v=e&n=sak109ha652d9643cj&s=sq85hk984d1087c643]133|200|Scoring: IMP

- - P P

1♣ X 3♣ p

p X p 3♥

p p 4♣ p

p X all pass[/hv]

 

Should I come in over 3♣ with such a pish hand? Anyhow, partner insists (should he?), so I show hearts. What then does his final double mean? Is it a clear penalty?

 

I left it in and we got a good score in the end, so I guess he did well to get the 4♣ bid out of opps.

Q1] IMO no

Q2] he should NOT! unless he thinks you didn't hear him the first time

Q3] the opponents aren't making this!

Q4] IMO yes

Q5] yes he is an idiot IMO, got lucky, and even a blind pig finds an occasional acorn

[gwnn]

if I had say

 

xxx

xxxxxx

xx

xx

 

I would definitely bid:

 

1C-x-3C-p

p-x-p-3H

4C-x-p-4H

 

So the last X is not pure penalty. He just tells you that he has more points than hitherto expressed.

[Free]

Over 3♣ pass is clear.  If partner has extra's he'll Dbl, which is what he did.

Did he have extra's?

Did I say that? I only said (or meant to say) he doubled... :rolleyes:

[kgr]

Over 3♣ pass is clear.  If partner has extra's he'll Dbl, which is what he did.

Did he have extra's?

Did I say that? I only said (or meant to say) he doubled... :rolleyes:

You are right. Having is not Commutative

[ArtK78]

even a blind pig finds an occasional acorn

I wasn't aware that a pig, blind or otherwise, was looking for acorns (although I guess that a pig would find one every so often).

[gwnn]

http://www.coestatepark.com/wild_pig.htm says in several places that pigs eat acorns, they even have to compete with deer for the valuable little nuts. Apparently acorns sometimes constitute as much as 25% of deer's diets.

[wank]

the second double showed extras which he didn't have. the 3rd double showed even more extra which he even more didn't have. it implies only 3 hearts otherwise with extras and 4H he'll often bid 4H himself, so yes you should pass it as you've got a flat bag of crap.