zasanya Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Should this hand be opened 1NT ?If P bids 2♦ (transfer to ♥ ) would you bid 2♠ which is superaccept of ♥ with a 4 card ♠ suit?Would the addition of a Jack in either ♠ ♥ or ♦ suit make a difference to your answer?[hv=d=s&v=n&s=saqxxxhaqxdaxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Should it be opened 1NT? No, you can play a style where you open 1NT with this hand, but you can also play a style where you open 1♠. It depends on your agreements about 1NT openings. Should we superaccept?Definitely not! I only super accept with max and 4+M. We are max, but we don't have a 4th ♥, so just bid 2♥. Again, style is an issue here: you can play super accepts with maximum offensive hands, I just wouldn't do it with a 3 card support... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Agree with opening 1NT because it doesn't mess up much with follow ups and it makes opening 1♠ a more precise bid. Superaccept? Yes because of the excellent controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 I would open 1NT but not with an extra jack. With 17 HCP and a 5-card major I open 1M and rebid 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Don't superaccept on threedon't superaccept on threedon't superaccept on threeeeethis nobody can deny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 I basically only super-accept when my hand doesn't have many losers. Looking at controls is a poor way of evaluating here. Partner bids on with some hands where we make game (Kxx KJxxx xxx xx) but bids on with hands where 2 may be the limit (xxx KJxxx xxx Kx) and at the least game is not good, especially when they know to not lead ♠. Having 'wasted' values in ♥ isn't really that appealing, either, (if I had, say, AQxx... since you generally should have 4 trumps to super-accept). AKQJxxxxx between us borders on the overkill department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Hi, I would open 1H. In the end, that is a matter of partnrship agreement.Similar, it is a matter of partnership agreement, if a superaccept with only3 card is sensible.Assuming you have agreed befre hand (!), that a superaccept with 3 cardsis ok, and that a 2S superaccept showes max. and 4 spades, than the handis certainly wort it, but keep in mind, what you had previously agreed on. This is nothing you come up during the play of a hand. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenko Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 You probably meant 1S, regarding super accepting with 3, I do not recall ever anything good coming out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszeszycki Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Dealer: South Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP ♠ AQxxx ♥ AQx ♦ Axx ♣ xx at IMPS we strain hard to reach games so the concept of super accept is a bit looser because of the increased reward/risk ratio. In the case where super accept can be done bidding a side (hopefully 5 card) suit I would look at my hand and decide if 5/6 hcp in trumps/side suit would make a good game. If so I super accept. Certainly I would be more than pleased to have p bid game with Kx Kxxxx xxx xxx. Think of the super accept as a help suit game try ----when your values are in trumps and p help suit they are at their most valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Should this hand be opened 1NT ?If P bids 2♦ (transfer to ♥ ) would you bid 2♠ which is superaccept of ♥ with a 4 card ♠ suit?Would the addition of a Jack in either ♠ ♥ or ♦ suit make a difference to your answer? Dealer: South Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP ♠ AQxxx ♥ AQx ♦ Axx ♣ xx Q1] yesQ2] no Q3] yes I would bid 2NT which shows 3 cards ♥ with 2 of top 3 honors and a max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenko Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 You probably meant 1S, regarding super accepting with 3, I do not recall ever anything good coming out of it But I do recall losing an important knock out match on the last board some 20 years ago because my partner super accepted with 3. Yes, I can hold a grudge with the best of them, longer than an elephant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 If an elephant caught you superaccepting with 3, he could -rightfully- just crush you under his big heavy feet or choke you with his trunk. I don't think your analogy holds water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Open 1N, don't superaccept. We've had a lot of success superaccepting on 3 after a 2N opener, but the criteria are fairly strict, 2 of top 3 in your own 5 card suit, at least one in partner's, and he knows it's 3 card support, there are other superaccepts with 4 card support, but I wouldn't try it after a 1N opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenko Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 If an elephant caught you superaccepting with 3, he could -rightfully- just crush you under his big heavy feet or choke you with his trunk. I don't think your analogy holds water. http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/elephant-memory.htm Oh I did that too AND I am still mad at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Only superaccept with 4-card support, not three. I would open it 1NT or 1S, depending on partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 I played last weekend and, when partner had overcalled 1NT over 1♦ and I transferred to spades, I bid game over a superaccept on Qxxxx xx x J98xx thinking it was a close decision. It made opposite AKJx AQx Kxxx Tx. My point is, the point of superaccepts is not even to make them on a max, meaning better than average hand. It's to make them on a super max, in other words a hand that has clear worries of missing game opposite less than an invitation. There are definitely hands with 17 that I don't think are worth a super accept, and I think most hands with 16 aren't worth it. I can't imagine a hand with 16 and 3 trumps could be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Should this hand be opened 1NT ?If P bids 2♦ (transfer to ♥ ) would you bid 2♠ which is superaccept of ♥ with a 4 card ♠ suit?Would the addition of a Jack in either ♠ ♥ or ♦ suit make a difference to your answer?<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> South </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> N/S </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> AQxxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AQx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> Axx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> xx </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end --> Prefer 1s with xx in side suit. Yes, this is a problem hand.-- I would never super accept in hearts but then I would not open 1nt. -- Possible auction might be BART: 1s=1nt2c=? if 2d then now3h=? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted June 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 ty all.My teammates who play 2/1 are having difficulties with handling hands in 16-17 range with 5 card major and 5-3-3-2 .System call is 1NT.When P transfers to other major it is difficult to find the double fit if a fit exists in other major too.Sometimes a game/slam is missed.So we wondered if a 3 card support superaccept is playable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 ty all.My teammates who play 2/1 are having difficulties with handling hands in 16-17 range with 5 card major and 5-3-3-2 .System call is 1NT.When P transfers to other major it is difficult to find the double fit if a fit exists in other major too.Sometimes a game/slam is missed.So we wondered if a 3 card support superaccept is playable. with xx in side suit, yes problem hand. BART can help a bit, not perfect.--------- ------------------------- As for second issue after 1nt. you should be able to find your major fits if 5-4. stayman and then jump in other major: 1NT=2C2D=3H=FORCING 5S AND 4H OR 1NT=2C2D=3S=FORCING 5H AND 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 I would definitely open 1NT and I would not super accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Superaccepting with three is fine and IMO this hand qualifies. Obviously you need a maximum in terms of playing strength and nine trumps are better than eight but still there isn't a great difference between a 5332 with three card support and a 4432 with four card support. Consider an ordinary 7 HCP hand for partner, e.g. xxKxxxxQJxJxx I haven't given him much wastage in clubs but you still have room to determine how the hands fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 isn't that the perfect example, Jxx of clubs, in an "as little as" hand. If I wanted to argue against 1NT or superaccepting, I'd make it "Opposite as much as xxKxxxxQxxQJx Game is bad. QED." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crunch3nt Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 I super-accept with 3 trumps frequently and the only bad results I have had is when partner thinks I have 4. So we have modified our super-accept responses to include a specific bid for a good 3 card suit super-accept with a 5 card side source of tricks. Vul at imps, I think it is crazy to not super accept with this hand type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Don't superaccept on threedon't superaccept on threedon't superaccept on threeeeethis nobody can deny. :) The reason you don't superaccept on three but do so on four or five is the law of total tricks. With a combined 9+ trumps you are normally OK at the three level regardless of pard's high card holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Don't superaccept on threedon't superaccept on threedon't superaccept on threeeeethis nobody can deny.:) The reason you don't superaccept on three but do so on four or five is the law of total tricks. With a combined 9+ trumps you are normally OK at the three level regardless of pard's high card holding. That's not the LOTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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