jh51 Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 This came up in a club game (live, not BBO) recently with a pick up parnter I had met 15 minutes before game time, so not a lot of time dor discussion. Her card had Checkback Stayman indicated, which I gladly agreed to play. Partner dealt and the bidding went:1C-(P)-1S-(2D)2NT-(P)-? I was not sure whether 3C would be checkback after opponent's interfrerence, but I bid it anyway. Partner admitted that she had forgotten about checkback stayman after everyone passed and I explained to the opponents that there may have been a failure to alert. So the question remained unresolved in my mind as to whether checkback does or should apply. What do you folks think about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 system should be on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 whatever systems you play after 1m-1M-2NT should apply i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 And 3D would have been to play? Even 3H might be a safer rebid if interested in whether partner has 4H or 3S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 What would double instead of 2nt show? Support?Hearts?Big Balanced?.... Then what is 2nt? In BBO it's often the same 4x3 12 count I would have passed in first chair. With the lack of a double (or pass), in all cases, you can find out what you need to know by bidding 3♥ or 3♦ to force. I see no reason to lose a 3♣ bid to show a piece of cheese with 9 black cards in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 A fallback rule we have found useful: in competetition, when we bid partner's suit --it shows partner's suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 BTW in my most regular partnership we have the following very inferior system over 2NT rebids: 3C=checkback3D=nothing3H=5-53S=6+, forcing. if you agreed that 3C is checkback, it's always checkback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I would assume 3C = natural NF after the interference, 3D artificial GF (i.e. checkback), unless discussed otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 system should be on. 100% agr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I would assume 3C = natural NF after the interference, 3D artificial GF (i.e. checkback), unless discussed otherwise. 100% agree By the way, as far as I'm concerned, agreeing "checkback Stayman" mean we've agreed to an artificial 2C rebid after partner's 1NT rebid. It's doesn't automatically apply after a 2NT rebid unless we've specifically agreed that it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 By the way, as far as I'm concerned, agreeing "checkback Stayman" mean we've agreed to an artificial 2C rebid after partner's 1NT rebid. It's doesn't automatically apply after a 2NT rebid unless we've specifically agreed that it does. I agree with this part. I didn't realise what the exact wording in the OP meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I would assume 3C = natural NF after the interference, 3D artificial GF (i.e. checkback), unless discussed otherwise. 100% agree By the way, as far as I'm concerned, agreeing "checkback Stayman" mean we've agreed to an artificial 2C rebid after partner's 1NT rebid. It's doesn't automatically apply after a 2NT rebid unless we've specifically agreed that it does. We also agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 By the way, as far as I'm concerned, agreeing "checkback Stayman" mean we've agreed to an artificial 2C rebid after partner's 1NT rebid. It's doesn't automatically apply after a 2NT rebid unless we've specifically agreed that it does. You are correct apparently but I'm shocked. Shocked! In the good ole days, Checkback Stayman was over a 2nt rebid period. It did not exist over a 1nt bid until Eddie Kantar came along and that convention was named Kantar 2♣ as opposed to new minor forcing which arrived at about the same time. I wonder when it changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 3C is NF. Sry, they gave you a natural forcing bid (3D), why does one need a 2nd one? With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jh51 Posted June 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Thanks for all the great responses. Given that this was the first time I had played with this partner and we had met 15 minutes before game time, I am sure you can appreciate that there was not a lot of discussion on partnership agreements. When in doubt, I probably should have cue bid 3♦ and hope partner does something intelligent with it. As it was, I had a big hand (19HCP) with 9 black cards in it. 11 easy tricks in NT or clubs, 12 if you can guess to drop the Q♣ offside, but missing 5 clubs that's not likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Thanks for all the great responses. Given that this was the first time I had played with this partner and we had met 15 minutes before game time, I am sure you can appreciate that there was not a lot of discussion on partnership agreements. When in doubt, I probably should have cue bid 3♦ and hope partner does something intelligent with it. As it was, I had a big hand (19HCP) with 9 black cards in it. 11 easy tricks in NT or clubs, 12 if you can guess to drop the Q♣ offside, but missing 5 clubs that's not likely. I thought you were responder, but you had 19 points? Opener's 2NT rebid should show 18-19 points. Even though opener is forced to bid at the 2-level. With the regular 12-14, opener should pass instead of bidding 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I'd use their suit as checkback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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