DJNeill Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Hi all,Friday begins the US Open Team Trials for USA Open team 1 for the 2011 BBowl.http://usbf.org/index.php?option=com_conte...d=31&Itemid=284 What systems are top US players playing today? 2/1 or standard, no transfer responses or weak NT: 36Meckwell precision openings, mostly with meck lite responses: 162/1 or standard, transfer responses to 1C, strong NT: 72/1 or standard, weak (12-14 or less) NT: 3other: 2 Preempt styles ignored (rarely matter, nor can they be played in most events in the US). Thanks,Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Thanks Dan! Interesting to see that 7 pairs are playing transfer responses to 1C. Among those 46 "2/1 or standard" pairs, I would like to see how many: - Play that 2/1 is 100% GF, almost GF, or not GF. - Play that 1C can be a doubleton. I may have time to look it up myself later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 What are the 2 other systems? Some kind of Polish Club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 how many people play flannery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJNeill Posted June 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 What are the 2 other systems? Some kind of Polish Club?Inverted Polish ClubCanape Strong Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenko Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 how many people play flannery? More than none, i.e. way too many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 how many people play flannery? More than none, i.e. way too many hamman plays flannery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 how many people play flannery? More than none, i.e. way too many hamman plays flannery... Well, following the logic ...he must be an idiot who doesn't know squat about bridge :o The thing most see about Flannery is just the bid itself not its fit into an overall system where it may (or may not) solve several other bidding problems by the failure to use the bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 What are the 2 other systems? Some kind of Polish Club?Inverted Polish ClubCanape Strong Club Thanks to Dan for pointing me to the "Inverted Polish" club system - the system summary: iPolish system summary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 looks terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Coincidentally, next week we also see the start of the European Team championship (also counts as Bermuda Bowl qualification). 39 teams. Perhaps comparison statistics can be made <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 hamman plays flannery... TERMINATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bab9 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 how many people play flannery? More than none, i.e. way too manyWhat is wrong with Flannery? (I have not used it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 stay away from bad influences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Levin-Weinstein also play Flannery. Not a bad pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 What are the 2 other systems? Some kind of Polish Club?Inverted Polish ClubCanape Strong Club Thanks to Dan for pointing me to the "Inverted Polish" club system - the system summary: iPolish system summary i can see this is the name used by players but i don't understand what exactly is "inverted". maybe f@#$ed up polish club ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Levin-Weinstein also play Flannery. Not a bad pair. Also Robinson-Boyd, and they won the previous trials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 I don't think there's anything remotely Polish about the Harris-Morgan methods. Nor is it an inversion of anything, except possibly common sense. On the subject of top players playing poor methods, I don't think there's anything surprising about it. Most people play methods that they're comfortable and familiar with; and most world-class players will still get world-class results regardless of their methods. Look at the French, for example. Nobody outside France thinks that Standard French is any good, but their top players don't seem to have any difficulty with getting good results playing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Harris / Morgan have been playing together for awhile, although not as much over the last several years. I agree the system looks very thrown together, but I'm sure they get some system swings on certain hands. More importantly, they are well practiced, which makes up for some fundamental systemic weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Flannery is not bad when it comes up. The completely unknown hand gets to declare, and opener/responder are very well placed in competitive situations since they have described 9 cards with their first bid as opposed to 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 And it's better when it doesn't come up, but the auction instead goes 1♥-1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 I'm going to have you all locked up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhtf Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Look at the French, for example. Nobody outside France thinks that Standard French is any good, but their top players don't seem to have any difficulty with getting good results playing it. many thanks for very interesting on US trials sytems for World championships,but by Gnasher (hi) (and hi all) ** Nobody outside France thinks that Standard French is any good, ** => am on the same railway thinking. ** but their top players don't seem to have any difficulty ** => really any ?** with getting good results playing it. ** => am very affraid for Ostend : like in South Afrika with soccer )) friendly all (French sys is the most difficult to play, in the universe )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 Have you visited the whole universe? Have you even played all the systems on this planet to be able to judge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 What is wrong with Flannery? (I have not used it) Nothing, except it takes away one useful opening from your system. And the only advantages that it offers are easily and more ellegantly compensated by playing the 1♥-1♠ Kaplan's inversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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