xx1943 Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sakthakqj9d54c632]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♥ pass 1♠ pass???[/hv] You have a nice hand with 17 HCP and a great heart suit.1♥ should be the standard opening. to think about 1NT seems abstrus to me. Partner responds 1♠. Now you have a choice of evils. 2♥ is a great undebid2♠ promises normally a 4-carder and is an underbid too2NT without any stopper in the minors grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr3♣ is forcing and can be a 3-carder but on 632???3♦ is just more worse than 3♣3♥ should show a 6-carder, but seems the best lye with that monster 5-carder3♠ should definitely show a 4-carder Looking forward to hear the opinion of the experts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 2NT, 17-19 hcp balanced with stoppers in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 you can either bid 2NT or 2♣ others don't really fit. with 2NT you commit yourself to game, maybe a good option given your concentration. 2♣ with 2NT next in mind to show 16-17 balanced is the other option althou it looks like an underbid to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Don't want to complicate things, 2NT. What I would bid had partner responded 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 with 2NT you commit yourself to game, maybe a good option given your concentration. in most standard systems 2NT is not forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Quoting Meckstroth from a panel column not long ago: "Balanced hands rebid NT!! No exceptions!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 ;) 3♥ seems the best choice given the possible continuations. Pass is OK. 3♠ gets 4♠. 3NT works. 4♥ may be the only makable game. Must be because I have the expected 17 HCP, and ♥ is a playable trump suit even opposite a small singleton. DUHHH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszeszycki Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Dealer: South Vul: N-S Scoring: IMP ♠ AKT ♥ AKQJ9 ♦ 54 ♣ 632 1♥ pass 1♠ pass??? This hand has a TON of potential and is better than most balanced 18-19 count hands but it should make every reasonable effort to avoid playing the hand. Attempting to right side this contract (make p declarer) should be a primary consideration. The best bid to try and accomplish this mission would appear to be 3s this has many ways to win 1. p might have 5 puny spades and would never have rebid them maybe 4s best2. p might have 4 small spades and 8-9 balanced (with both minors stopped) and rebid 3n rightsiding 3n3. with xxxxx xxx Axxx x p might now be very happy to bid 4h they may or may not bid 4h over 3h (I probably would at imps)4. p has 5 small spades a minimum and passes this has GOT to be better than 2n played from your side. thats my case now let the arguments fly:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 potentially airborne arguments: 3S shows 4 spades.I have 3 spades. So I don't bid 3 S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 meh, I'd bid 3♠. I have a ten-trick hand, not a nine-trick hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 2NT is not forcing (18-19 balanced) so if we are happy playing in 2NT if partner passes, then 2NT it is. I think that is best. This hand is difficult, despite its balanced shape, it doesn't really look like a NT hand, and it is not strong enough to force to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I think it is either 2NT (right on values , my hand is worth 18+, but misdescriptive) or 2♣ intending to rebid 2♠ if partner does not pass .2♣ is a clear post mortem winner . Sorry partner, thought we were playing gazzilli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 May we please please play gazilli? I've never bid 3S on a 3-card suit, not going to start it now. Not like it's going to lead us to 3NT from the right side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sakthakqj9d54c632]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♥ pass 1♠ pass???[/hv] You have a nice hand with 17 HCP and a great heart suit.1♥ should be the standard opening. to think about 1NT seems abstrus to me. Partner responds 1♠. Now you have a choice of evils. 2♥ is a great undebid2♠ promises normally a 4-carder and is an underbid too2NT without any stopper in the minors grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr3♣ is forcing and can be a 3-carder but on 632???3♦ is just more worse than 3♣3♥ should show a 6-carder, but seems the best lye with that monster 5-carder3♠ should definitely show a 4-carder Looking forward to hear the opinion of the experts2NT has the benefit of possibly getting to an 8 card ♠ fit when partner uses a probably artificial 3♣ or 3♦ call. And for the doubters of wanting to play game wouldn't you want to be in 3NT when partner holds[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sakthakqj9d54c632]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♥ pass 1♠ pass???[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 3. with xxxxx xxx Axxx x p might now be very happy to bid 4h they may or may not bid 4h over 3h (I probably would at imps) Partner cannot have this holding. Hands that are only worth one bid should make the immediate raise to 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbsboy Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 Tough hand. If gazzili is not your choice, Kaplan inversion would have worked well in this hand. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 if you play gazzilli, how do you bid this? please answer as completely as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I'd bid a natural 2♣. If we have game on, 2♣ will usually get us to the right game from the right side. 2NT, 3♥ and 3♠ all have a high risk of getting to the wrong game or playing from the wrong side. The main downside of 2♣ is that it will get us to a ridculous partscore from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 The choices seem to be 2N and 2C or some number of S. Balanced as we are suggests NT. Its almost an underbid, besides I want the lead coming up to my 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 3♠ for me. 3♥ is my 2nd choice but this hand is a much better dummy than declarer on a minor suit lead, could steal a tempo and 4-3 fits are character builders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 if you play gazzilli, how do you bid this? please answer as completely as possible. Rebid 2♣ forcing one round, showing clubs or 17+ hcp. Now partner bids: 2♦ showing a good hand. Rebid 2♠ showing 17+ and 3+♠; we are gf now.2♥ showing an awful hand with 2♥ (usually). Pass is an option especially at mp, but we can also bid 2♠ to try for game (I play as 17-18 with 3♠ nf).2♠ showing an awful hand with 6♠ (occasionally 5 if 0-1 ♥). I will raise to 3♠ keeping in mind that I would bid this way on Qxxxxx and out; would bid 4♠ if I played wjs. Various bids showing 4♠/longer minor with a weak hand and short ♥ I will let partner sign off in his minor. Various bids showing GF of some type I will normally bid 3♠ next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted June 19, 2010 Report Share Posted June 19, 2010 I am reluctantly forced into 3S, but I hate it - that shows 4-card support, "no exceptions," for me. As for this...1♥ should be the standard opening. to think about 1NT seems abstrus to me. Well... if you anticipate the rebid problem over 1H-1S, that's a good reason why you SHOULD think about opening something other than 1H if it avoids that problem. (Yes, with my reg p we really would have opened 1NT - but I know that will be a small-minority treatment.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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