gwnn Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 1H-1S-x-p?? xxKQJTxAKxQJx we agreed that 1NT with a 5cM is just with a bad major and no gazzilli or anything. what if it had gone instead 1H-1S-x-2Sp-p-x-p? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 Do you think that your heart suit is as good as many 6-baggers? Does partner usually have at least a bit of tolerance for your suit when he/she makes a neg. double?. Given your total hand, and partner showing minors, do you think you could withstand spade taps in the trump suit given your overall strength? Visualize a typical neg X after 1H-1s-X: what do you think you can ultimately make?orsince your partner made a bid that supposedly shows both minors or a 2 1/2 heart raise, you could pick a minor and see what partner does. But, the quality of the trump suit, albeit only 5 cards,........................................... DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 In the first sequence, wouldn't 2S show extras, no 6th heart, no 4-card minor and no spade stopper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 A lot of the time partner will be 3244, 42(43), etc..With a good spade stop and 8-10, I would expect 1N (no comments please B)) If I cue here (see the 3334 18 hand thread) it is game forcing, so thats out. I'll try 2♣. If partner bids 2♦ or 2♥, I'll then bid 2♠ which I hope is a good description. If pard passes 2♣, I may have missed 3N, but probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 2♠ in the first one, 3♠ in the second one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 I don't know the right answer on the first one, but I guess I would bid 2♠, and will take the blame if we get too high. But I know that on the second one, I would double 2♠ and feel like I've shown my hand pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 The hand fits extremelly well, so overbidding to 2♠ seems in order, even 3♥ looks reasonable with such a suit. In general with this shape and strenght I think 2♣ is the correct bid following Phil's plan. About the second bidding, why didn't we double 2♠? I'd try 3♠ anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 But I know that on the second one, I would double 2♠ and feel like I've shown my hand pretty well. Indeed, pass would be gwnn-unworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 I don't mind either 2♣ or 2♥ (but certainly not 2♠ as it's GF). If partner has 31(54) a 2♣ rebid will encourage him to a 3♣ invite more favourably than a 2♥ rebid will for a 2NT invite. With 3244 then either rebid should be fine. In terms of partscore however I feel hearts would play better than clubs will given our suit quality. Over our 2♣ I don't think it's likely at all that partner will be bidding 2♦ or a preference to 2♥ given that he thinks that we have located a fit, and in addition to that there's a small fear that if LHO competes to 2♠ over our 2♣ we may be stuck for a pass if partner competes with 3♣ and we might find ourselves in a 4-3 fit. Given our system, if it is expected that 2♣ may include these types of problem hands then I obviously bid 2♣. As for the 2nd auction, I would have doubled 2♠ to show extra values. Having failed to do so I now make the strange looking bid of 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 ok thanks all, not going to make a new thread of this but xxKQJTxAKxQJx J9xQxxxxAKxxx Even though I know that this isn't a pair of hands that will occur often in real life on this bidding, how would you bid them if they bid just 1S and pass throughout or they bid just 1S and support with 2S and pass throughout? They actually bid 1S and 2S over the double and passed throughout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 X-2♠3♣-3♠4♥ is an option, specially at MPs. X-2♠3♦-3♠4♣-4♦4♥ also ok you can substitute 2♠ by double and it doesn't change much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 X-2♠3♣-3♠4♥ is an option, specially at MPs. X-2♠3♦-3♠4♣-4♦4♥ also ok you can substitute 2♠ by double and it doesn't change much. So convenient partner has the nuts nine count when when we cue, isn't it? <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 1H - (1S) - X - (p)3H - (p) - 3S - (p)4D - (p) - 4H - all pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted June 10, 2010 Report Share Posted June 10, 2010 The hand fits extremelly well As pard might be 3-2-4-4, disagree. 2♣ for me as I play it up to this strength, same as if we had a free run with a forcing nt but I wouldn't mind 2♥ at matchpoints if pard bid it. I wouldn't. After 2♠ double should be extras with no direction, shouldn't it? Edit: HaHa, the actual hand appeared while I typed this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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