support with support?

[hanp]

IMPs.

 

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Q1098

KJx

xxxx

 

1C - 1H

2S - ??

[Phil]

2N. Not sure I want to encourage pard too strongly with slow values in the red suits.

[the hog]

IMPs.

 

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Q1098

KJx

xxxx

 

1C - 1H

2S - ??

2S is a mini splinter?

If not, I agree with Phil's 2NT bid.

[hanp]

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

[gordontd]

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

I think this joke has gone over my head.

[Codo]

I would show a hand that is 6-9 balanced with diamonds well stopped. (3 NT for me)

If I am unable to do so, I would show a weak hand with club fit. 2 Nt followed by 3 NT for me)

If I cannot show this either, I would change the system asap and try to survive after 2 NT.

[hanp]

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

I think this joke has gone over my head.

It was a reaction to Hog's question.

[gnasher]

3♣. That doesn't commit us to slam, or to clubs. The thought of concealing four-card club support on this auction horrifies me.

[655321]

3♣, I feel the same way as gnasher.

 

If we bid 2NT we have to go above 3NT to show club support, this way at least 3NT is still possible and now we have supported clubs.

[billw55]

3♣, I feel the same way as gnasher.

 

If we bid 2NT we have to go above 3NT to show club support, this way at least 3NT is still possible and now we have supported clubs.

Agree, partner still has 3♦ as a stopper ask right?

[pooltuna]

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

I think this joke has gone over my head.

me too! I thought partner had at min, distribution 4xy5 not that 3xy6 is ruled out 100% but is stepping lightly if so.

[cherdanno]

I like 2NT. Yeah it feels awkward to suppress 4-card support but how can we have slam unless partner has 6 clubs? If he does we can raise his 3♣ re-rebid and I don't feel worse than us raising to 3♣ right away and him bidding 4♣. If he bids 3 of a red suit or 3NT over 2NT then I think we can be fairly confident that 3NT is right.

 

Obviously I would never bid 3NT if that's what I have to do to show a minimal balanced hand.

[hanp]

Are you really raising 3C?

[helene_t]

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

oh sorry, I assumed we were playing T-Walsh and my 1♥ was a misclick.

 

Anyway, agree with Phil.

[OleBerg]

3♣ seems obvious. If I do not bid this, the last insignificant reason for not playing 2♠ artificial, is gone with the wind.

[kfay]

3♣, I feel the same way as gnasher. 

 

If we bid 2NT we have to go above 3NT to show club support, this way at least 3NT is still possible and now we have supported clubs.

Agree, partner still has 3♦ as a stopper ask right?

:(

[Fluffy]

3♣ for me, hopefully rebidding 3NT

[mikeh]

3♣.  That doesn't commit us to slam, or to clubs.  The thought of concealing four-card club support on this auction horrifies me.

Agreed

 

And consider AKxx x Ax AKxxxx surely nothing special about this hand on the auction. Do we really want to suggest to partner that our hand is so bad that we may be passing 3♣? xxx KQxx Jxx xxx would be a 2N call....and pass 3♣.

 

I agree that we can bid 2N intending to bid again....but...what are we bidding and why would partner understand it?

 

Surely we can't bid 2N then 4♣? Why waste an entire level of bidding to force beyond 3N on this hand?

 

Surely we can't bid 2N then 3N? Well, maybe we can...but do we have agreements as to the difference between this and an immediate 3N? (I would: the slow route shows doubt, the fast route shows both reds very well stopped and no fit and no slam interest). And how can we plan to NEVER show the club suit?

[cherdanno]

I didn't know that 2S could be considered not game-forcing.

[kenrexford]

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

I think this joke has gone over my head.

It was a reaction to Hog's question.

Kind of funny to me. Last night, in the partnership bidding room, my partner and I had the auction:

 

1♣-P-1♠-P-

3♦-P-3♥-P-

4♣-P-4♦-P-

4♠-all pass

 

3♦ was showing 6+ clubs and 3 spades.

 

LOL

 

Not that this auction applies, but...

[kfay]

3♣.  That doesn't commit us to slam, or to clubs.  The thought of concealing four-card club support on this auction horrifies me.

Agreed

 

And consider AKxx x Ax AKxxxx surely nothing special about this hand on the auction. Do we really want to suggest to partner that our hand is so bad that we may be passing 3♣? xxx KQxx Jxx xxx would be a 2N call....and pass 3♣.

 

I agree that we can bid 2N intending to bid again....but...what are we bidding and why would partner understand it?

 

Surely we can't bid 2N then 4♣? Why waste an entire level of bidding to force beyond 3N on this hand?

 

Surely we can't bid 2N then 3N? Well, maybe we can...but do we have agreements as to the difference between this and an immediate 3N? (I would: the slow route shows doubt, the fast route shows both reds very well stopped and no fit and no slam interest). And how can we plan to NEVER show the club suit?

Mike! GF, not a reverse :)

[the hog]

Obviously 2S shows either a single suited gameforce or a gameforce with 6+ clubs and 3 hearts....

I think this joke has gone over my head.

It was a reaction to Hog's question.

Well Han, I was serious. Next time you post would you mind stating what your bids mean? Not everyone plays the same as you. Is 2S a 1 round force, gf? What? Do you play blackout over this etc etc?

By the way, quite a few people DO play this as a mini splinter, as they play that 1S is forcing so they have no need of unnecessary jumps.

[655321]

Next post would you mind stating what your bids mean? Not everyone plays the same as you. Is 2S a 1 round force, gf? What?

Perhaps Han ought to have posted this problem in the A/E forum. Alternatively, in a non-A/E forum, and bearing in mind the wide range in skill amongst the BBF posters, he could have explained every bid.

 

If this happens in the future, one solution might be to wait for more experienced posters to respond. By reading their posts you might be able to pick up what the auction means.

 

Good luck!

[the hog]

Next post would you mind stating what your bids mean? Not everyone plays the same as you. Is 2S a 1 round force, gf? What?

Perhaps Han ought to have posted this problem in the A/E forum. Alternatively, in a non-A/E forum, and bearing in mind the wide range in skill amongst the BBF posters, he could have explained every bid.

 

If this happens in the future, one solution might be to wait for more experienced posters to respond. By reading their posts you might be able to pick up what the auction means.

 

Good luck!

A typically fatuous and comment by the numeric one. Just because you are only familiar with one method does not mean everyone else is.

[hanp]

Nobody would seriously think that I would not explain 2S if it was a mini-splinter, not even you. You know very well that 2S, when it is not alerted, shows spades, and that every other agreement is alertable.

 

With your question you have yet again managed to turn a thread which used to be about bridge into a thread which is about you. Not a change for the better.