Preempt 2H?

[Little Kid]

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You deal and pick up this collection. Do you open 2♥?[/hv]

[MFA]

No.

[Phil]

r/w? No thanks.

[OleBerg]

Yes.

[Little Kid]

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Pass - (Pass) - 1♠ -  (2NT*)

Pass - (3♠**) - Pass -(4♣)

Pass - (5♣) - All Pass

 

* Minors

** Alerted: Cuebid[/hv]

You are playing against a strong pair, ATB?

[Fluffy]

North should dobule 5♣, you have a white/red overcaller who didn't get excited opposite the cuebid against a passed hand bidder, and he has 3 very likelly tricks.

[neilkaz]

I like to preempt but no way here R vs W at IMPs.

 

Even if my ♥ were ♠ and noting that 2♠ forces the opps to come in at the 3 level in a suit whereas 2♥ allows the opps to easily enter with 2♠, I'd still pass at IMPs.

[655321]

You are playing against a strong pair, ATB?

This isn't much of an ATB is it?

 

North can see 3 tricks and ought to double which will turn 100 into 300, not a huge triumph but you are never getting 620, and South can't do anything. If the opponents had stopped in 4♣ and played there you might have a more interesting ATB.

 

(If you have a way to show a weak weak 2 as south I would be happy to do that, opponents would probably be shut out now, but otherwise I think 2♥ is too much.)

[Cyberyeti]

You are playing against a strong pair, ATB?

This isn't much of an ATB is it?

 

North can see 3 tricks and ought to double which will turn 100 into 300, not a huge triumph but you are never getting 620, and South can't do anything. If the opponents had stopped in 4♣ and played there you might have a more interesting ATB.

Never getting 620 ? Isn't 2H-P-4H end possible here.

 

I would open 2H, but then I'd open it on a much worse hand than that.

[655321]

I would open 2H, but then I'd open it on a much worse hand than that.

Yes, I always feel it is a mistake to post the whole deal and expect that we won't be subconsciously influenced by knowing the par contract.

[pooltuna]

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You deal and pick up this collection. Do you open 2♥?[/hv]

sorry but I try to save my suicidal urges for better hands :)

[gnasher]

No, I wouldn't open 2♥.

 

Regarding the rest of the auction, if West had passed 4♣, North would have passed too, presumably, and NS would have got a miserable 50 in exchange for their vulnerable game.

 

What should a double of 3♠ be? When South doesn't immediately support spades, the suit where we're most likely to have a fit is hearts. In that case, maybe double should be for takeout of the minors, ie showing hearts.

 

It's vaguely similar to this double:

  1♥ 1♠ pass 2♥

  dbl

which I play as a takeout double of spades.

[y66]

Open 2H r/w? Yes

[mich-b]

Would not open 2♥. We need a better suit VUL.

(Yes, I see that opening 2♥ might have worked better when partner had a great fit for ♥s. )

[the hog]

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You deal and pick up this collection. Do you open 2♥?[/hv]

NV vs V certainly. At other vulnerabilities, no.

[Cyberyeti]

I would open 2H, but then I'd open it on a much worse hand than that.

Yes, I always feel it is a mistake to post the whole deal and expect that we won't be subconsciously influenced by knowing the par contract.

At other vulnerabilities my partner and I would open a weak 2 on xxxx in 1st or 3rd, at this one 6 small and 4 small is routine for us. I meant what I said about opening hands far worse than that.

[andy_h]

R/W no.

[Little Kid]

Yes, I should have let the final contract be 4♣, is anyone to blame then? Never considered the dbl of 3♠ as being take out but I suppose it is more useful? Yet it doesn't look like we could have gotten to 4♥ if the opponents resided in 4♣, assuming we don't have the option of doubling 4♠ for take out.

 

I admit I was a bit too conservative when not doubling 5♣ but I had figured they realised we were not competing over 4♣ so probably had a nice cross ruff going for bidding 5♣ :lol:

[gwnn]

Well I bid 3♥ over 2NT. soo me.

[dake50]

Sound weak2's. Deviate when 0-1 other Major; plus for 4-2 not 3-3 sides. Yup 2H.

[Bbradley62]

I wonder what West was thinking during this auction. If his plan was to bid 5♣ over 4♣, why didn't he bid 5♣ in the first place?

 

ATB: In this case it's Attribute the Blame (for us) and Credit (for them). You cannot blame South for not opening. South could (should?) have bid 3♥, but if West was planning to go to 5♣ anyway, this has no impact on the score. For failing to double 5♣, North receives all of the blame that you're not assigning as credit to West, who knew to bid 5♣ instead of defending your vulnerable game.