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[dbsboy]

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I was South.

 

At our table, the bidding went

 

RHO Me LHO My P

1♠ Pass 1N (F1) Pass

2♥ X 3♥ 5♣

All Pass

 

5♣ went -1.

 

 

At the other table, the bidding was a different as South overcalled 1NT

RHO Opps LHO Opps

1♠ 1N Pass 3N

All Pass

 

The opening lead was ♠9. And declarer easily scooped 9 tricks.

 

I am not sure if I should overcall 1NT, and do you agree with the 3NT bid over partner's 1NT? Of course, a H lead may have defeated the contract.

 

Any opinion?

[mike777]

I guess you can make 9 tricks on a spade lead.

[aguahombre]

deleted, due to prior post edit.

[Phil]

So you are trying to assess blame in reaching an excellent 5♣ that failed because the ♦A was not with the opening bidder instead of reaching a tenuous 3N that should go down every time with the correct defense?

 

I also realize that 5♣ can be beaten when spades and 6-1 but this is something not to get worked up about.

[jjbrr]

agree with phil, who, by the way, has a family to be envious of.

 

phil=hero.

[Jlall]

So you are trying to assess blame in reaching an excellent 5♣ that failed because the ♦A was not with the opening bidder instead of reaching a tenuous 3N that should go down every time with the correct defense?

 

I also realize that 5♣ can be beaten when spades and 6-1 but this is something not to get worked up about.

They should make the winning lead every time? Ok...

 

Spades are 6-1 a lot of the time but it's "nothing to get worked up about"? I guess because they always make the winning lead vs 3N so it's a 0 % contract!

 

I agree that getting to 5C instead of 3N on these 2 auctions doesn't really matter much but I think Phil is overstating things by quite a bit.

 

I think overcalling 1N is quite bad. 3N was a good bid over it.

[Phil]

agree with phil, who, by the way, has a family to be envious of.

 

phil=hero.

Why thank you young man. 60% of us will be in NO so I hope you can meet them in person.

[Phil]

Spades are 6-1 a lot of the time but it's "nothing to get worked up about"? I guess because they always make the winning lead vs 3N so it's a 0 % contract!

The part that this poster shouldn't get 'worked about' is that this isn't an awful result AFAIC. I wasn't clear about the way I stated that.

 

6-1 spades is a concern but that's tricky diagnosing in the auction.

 

When our RHO bids spades and then hearts, I'm fairly sure that LHO is going to find the heart lead like....100% of the time?

 

I didn't comment about 1N but I agree its awful, but it worked out. I'm not as enamored with 3N - it seems North could invite in clubs and you'd find the same spot - when its right. .

[jjbrr]

agree with phil, who, by the way, has a family to be envious of.

 

phil=hero.

Why thank you young man. 60% of us will be in NO so I hope you can meet them in person.

I'll be honored to meet any and all Claytons in person.

 

I think we played some poker in Vegas or Nashville, but I don't remember which. We should have been properly introduced.

 

I'll be in NO for the last few days, so I look forward to being Claytonized if you and the others will be there for the whole tournament.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

Passing over 1S is fine, at best you have a min. hand for a

1NT overcall.

I dont think, that your p should have bid 5C over 3H, 4C is more

than enough, even Pass is an option with his hand.

 

And I think the club suit is slightly to weak for the 3NT call.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[mcphee]

5C is a reasonable contract that offers a chance to make, quite sensible at the form of scoring. It also seems to me that the opponents have a good play to make 4H, although it is likely to fail, but I would sure enjoy having the opportunity to play that game.

[vuroth]

So you are trying to assess blame in reaching an excellent 5♣ that failed because the ♦A was not with the opening bidder...

I don't get it. Opps rate to be about 12 and 6 in HCP. Sure, the first ace rates to be with opener, but isn't the second ace only an 8:6 favourite to be there?