karlson Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 It's pretty popular among precision players to move the 3-suited 0-1♦ 11-15 opening to 2♥ instead of 2♦. The acbl recommended defense has two treatments which seem dubious to me: 1. playing double as 5+♥ and an opening hand and 2. playing 3♣ as a good 3♦ bid. I would definitely have thought it's much better to play double as takeout of hearts and 3♣ as natural. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I agree with their treatment on both points. I think you just have to be able to show hearts (not to mention since you are showing the suit they are currently in they might be in big trouble), and you want to show diamonds so much more than clubs the other part makes sense too. It's a bit annoying there is no way to show balanced 13 or 14 or whatever but credit their method. You just stretch to overcall 2NT or pass then double, and pray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 If they are vulnerable, the double should be semi-penalty or penalty, they have no security whatsoever and will get nailed often enough that they might reconsider opening 1H with 4414 like i do or keeping the original prec 2D. Non- vul i could go both way, but i prefer penalt-ish style. I would double with 14 pts and 4H and + and 16 pts with 3H and 18 with 2H. Im using 2NT as a strong multi-suit 3 level bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 3C as a stronger 3D overcall is definitely correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Being able to overcall 3C natural when they always have 4+ and have 5+ more than half the time is not useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 X takeout of clubs and 3C as majors anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 X takeout of clubs and 3C as majors anyone? Sounds good to me. EDIT: Scratch that I thought we are talking about 2♦ opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 It seems initially like X as "Kokish" (hearts or balanced) might have some merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 It seems initially like X as "Kokish" (hearts or balanced) might have some merit. Looks very bad. Opponents may jump and your partner will be clueless about your length in major suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 bluecalm this is the second time you agreed with me then you ask for an undo :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohitz Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 If X = hearts and 2N = 15-18 or so, what does one do with a 18-19 count balanced hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Try Amsbury-like 2M here. Throw dust cloud back into their high-risk opener. 2H: a) weak2H, :D 4144, c) 5D-5x with obvious after X escapes; 2S similar. X, 2N, higher are strong bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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