Little Kid Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sj7hkt87653d62cj7]133|100|Scoring: XIMP1NT-(Pass)-?[/hv]What is your bid now? Texas or Transfer? If you transfer then it goes:1NT-(Pass)-2♦-(X)2♥*- (3♦) - ? *2♥: 3♥ and ♦ stopper Changed your mind yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I think I would transfer and invite while admitting to being a little conservative. Surely after your start we are worth 4H. Also I have no idea what the law has anything to do with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recurse Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 with a 9 card fit guaranteed and points split evenly between the sides, the law says we need to compete to at least 3H here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 with a 9 card fit guaranteed and points split evenly between the sides, the law says we need to compete to at least 3H here This hand has nothing to do with "the law."Further, who says you have a 9 card fit? Some of the posters on this forum will open 1NT on a 4144 hand if the hand is suitable and in the range.Anyway, I transfer and invite without a super aceept. I really dislike 7222 shapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Agree with Ron except that i don't believe p would open 1NT with a singleton in a major suit. Oh well maybe with KQJ A KJxx Kxxxx but it would really have to be almost exactly that hand so I don't worry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I think you guys never read about the LAW in fact many if not all hands do mean the Law ------------- This hand is about the law if any hand is........ if you hate the law ok...but that is another issue.------------ I really hate people saying the Law is not about the Law on bridge hands....sigh......----------------- If you think the "Law" is for the most part bad bridge at expert level..ok....then say so...... Anyone can be twenty and cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I you guys didn't read the OP, or maybe littlekid added the hidden after your answers because partner has promised 3 card fit. But then... roger had all the info so... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Texas originally. If partner has a stiff heart then this hand will make him either:-open 1NT with a stiff less often-a better declarer I am OK with both those outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted May 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I was referring to the Law of Total Tricks once partner accepts the transfer but I'll refrain from using such titles in the future if it upsets people :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I'd transfer but bid 4H once partner bids 2H freely. I agree that this has nothing to do with the Law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sj7hkt87653d62cj7]133|100|Scoring: XIMP1NT-(Pass)-?[/hv]What is your bid now? Texas or Transfer? If you transfer then it goes:1NT-(Pass)-2♦-(X)2♥*- (3♦) - ? *2♥: 3♥ and ♦ stopper Changed your mind yet? I suspect this is worthy of a transfer and an invite but would need to see a simul to see if the odds are close to right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Unfortunately, I am trapped by style and cannot bid 2D, then bid 4H if I find out partner has 3 of them. Failure to Texas the first time makes the delay action a mild slam try. So, back to transfer and invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I'd transfer but bid 4H once partner bids 2H freely. I agree that this has nothing to do with the Law. Doesn't upset anyone, and I think we all knew it referred to the Lott. However, the hand and the sequence have nothing to do with Lott. Yes the op did edit the post after answers were posted. My answer is still the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I didn't edit anything, the hidden part has been there the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I didn't edit anything, the hidden part has been there the whole time. OK sorry, didn't see it. I think there are some others in the same boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Hi, I want to play game, i.e. I take the route, which does show exactly this,for most this would be Texas. If you have choosen the way in the hidden part, ..., bid game, as long asp understands, that this is not a slam invite, lets say, the know 6-3 fitmade your hand worth a game try. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I'd just transfer and invite, I have to do something. Now that partner has a ♦ stopper, I still don't like my hand (he shouldn't have the ♦A) because I lack short suits. I'll just bid 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why should partner not have the ace, and why would having the king be bad. It would likely be well placed. AQ would be even better. And given that we have at least a 5-3 fit, I don't think it is useful to know if partner has J10xx of diamonds. I was going to invite, but after 3D the invite is no longer possible. Since the news has been fairly good, I'd bid game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 Why should partner not have the ace, and why would having the king be bad. It would likely be well placed. AQ would be even better. And given that we have at least a 5-3 fit, I don't think it is useful to know if partner has J10xx of diamonds. I was going to invite, but after 3D the invite is no longer possible. Since the news has been fairly good, I'd bid game. With the Ace he'd rather RDbl to rightside in case the hand with ♥ has ♦Qx. AQ is possible ofcourse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted May 31, 2010 Report Share Posted May 31, 2010 I was referring to the Law of Total Tricks once partner accepts the transfer but I'll refrain from using such titles in the future if it upsets people :P I think nobody was "upset". You just needed to be told that The Law has nothing to do with this hand. I transfer and bid again if forced to or given the chance. When partner volunteers the 2H bid, I go to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted June 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 You just needed to be told that The Law has nothing to do with this hand. My understanding was that a corrollary of the Law of Total Tricks is:"Bid to a number of tricks equal to the number of trumps you and your partner hold (and no higher) in a competitive auction." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 You just needed to be told that The Law has nothing to do with this hand. My understanding was that a corrollary of the Law of Total Tricks is:"Bid to a number of tricks equal to the number of trumps you and your partner hold (and no higher) in a competitive auction." You are abusing this principle badly. The reasoning behind your "corollary" is to put pressure on your opponents when they haven't described their hand yet, and also to bid to the maximum level as a two-way shot (maybe it makes, if it doesnt maybe it's a good save against what they can make). In this situation you aren't really that worried about them bidding anymore, and you are bidding at least 3H, so you should just try to bid what you think you can make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Kid Posted June 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 I absolutely agree with your reasoning but unless I am completely misinterpreting something, the Law of Total Tricks still suggests bidding 4♥ after the transfer sequence. I'm probably interpreting things too literally from the Wikipedia entry: "The total number of tricks available on a deal is equal to the total number of trump cards both sides hold in their respective best suits." Total tricks is defined as the sum of the number of tricks available to each side if they could choose trumps. As an example, if N-S between them hold 9 spades and E-W hold 8 clubs, the LoTT says that the total number of tricks available is 17 (9+8). Note the LoTT says nothing about how many tricks each side will make; this depends on the split of HCP as well as the number of trumps held - if, in the example, the side with 8 clubs held all the HCPs, they would make all 13 tricks with clubs as trumps - but if the other side could choose spades as trumps, they could well make 4 tricks (draw trumps and cross ruff) - note 13 + 4 still = 17. When the HCP are fairly evenly split between the two sides, the number of trumps held by each side is a close indicator of the tricks available to each side.This method works on the assumption that for shapely hands, the combined length of the trump suit is more significant than points or HCP in deciding on the level of the final contract. It is of most value in competitive bidding situations where the HCP are divided roughly equally between the partnerships.The "law" is said to be most accurate when the high card points are fairly evenly divided between the two sides and the bidding is competitive. Experts also apply adjustment factors to improve accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 We are deciding between bidding 3H and 4H. Opponent's wont bid over either bid. Hence it doesn't matter how many tricks the opponents will make. Hence the law is useless for our decisions. QED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 hey I can see hidden text, I found a magic angle on my laptop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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