how low can you go?

[babalu1997]

i remember in my very early days at bbo, holding a complete yarborough when partner opened one club

 

of course, i know how to answer, the book said i had to have 6+ to answer so i passed and some disaster ensued

 

the little devil in the kib box told me-- if your partner opens 1 club, answer with zero if you have to, give him a chamce to improve that contract.

 

i think that little devil was right so i stick to it. since then i have partnered with several players who say similar things especially if my clubs are short.

 

i also have never seen anything good turnout when i open 1 club with a 3 card club suit holding a 19 balanced count and partner passes, so the little devil was right, i think.

 

yesterday i hear one club and i hold a 5 card heart suit qjt9x and nothing else and i answered 1 heart, as far as poor hands go that was not one so bad, that is actually one trick in hearts

 

what would you have bid?

 

ps i do not play forcing club systems.

[jjbrr]

i like a style that can respond light to 1m openers. i would also bid 1♥ with QJT9x.

[Little Kid]

Most of the time if I have 13 cards and little to no tolerance for the opened suit, I'll bid :rolleyes: With a 5card major, especially if it is as good as QJT9x I think its important to get your suits accross. If you are weak and have a long suit, chances are you're not going to be getting many tricks in any other strains so I endeavour to get my suits in. I wouldn't hesitate about bidding 1♥ over 1♣ with something like ♠xxx ♥J9xxx ♦xxx ♣x. Partner may end up raising with a strong hand but it will usually not be much worse than if you had passed initially, especially if partner is aware of your style. I would bid as long as you are trying to improve the contract, but not on something like ♠xxx ♥xxx ♦xxxx ♣xxx because then you probably aren't improving the 1♣ contract much.

 

Maybe its just a matter of style but I wouldn't mind if I had a partner who basically responded on any hand that isn't happy to play in the opened suit.

[kenberg]

I am more inclined to pass. It's not always right of course, but the general approach of not rescuing a partner who has not been double appeals to me.

 

KJxxx might be enough for me since it is not completely absurd to think I can take ten tricks if partner raises to game.

 

Win some, lose some. I just prefer to actually have something when I bid.

[bill1157]

Would the vulnerability make a difference as to how weak you would respond?

 

Bill

[aguahombre]

I assume weak JS responses are not in the mix. If they were, I would think qjtXX qualifies, even if lacking an extra card in the suit.

[TylerE]

1♥ is normal on the given hand. However, bidding it on some random 4432 1-count is lunacy. If you really want to bid with the second hand, 1♦ is best since it maximizes the chance that partner will bid something you can pass...

[gwnn]

very very low. your response is automatic.

[pooltuna]

i remember in my very early days at bbo, holding a complete yarborough when partner opened one club

 

of course, i know how to answer, the book said i had to have 6+ to answer so i passed and some disaster ensued

 

the little devil in the kib box told me-- if your partner opens 1 club, answer with zero if you have to, give him a chamce to improve that contract.

 

i think that little devil was right so i stick to it.  since then i have partnered with several players who say similar things especially if my clubs are short.

 

i also have never seen anything good turnout when i open 1 club with a 3 card club suit holding a 19 balanced count and partner passes, so the little devil was right, i think.

 

yesterday i hear one club and i hold a 5 card heart suit qjt9x and nothing else and i answered 1 heart, as far as poor hands go that was not one so bad, that is actually one trick in hearts

 

what would you have bid?

 

ps i do not play forcing club systems.

passing or not passing a 1♣ opening call is a matter of judgment. With your particular hand say xx xxx xxx QJTxx you are probably already in your best contract so it is time to bail...I would pass in a flash (tempoically speaking of course).

 

EDIT: oops thought the QJT9x suit was clubs so bid 1♥ and get ready to pass forever after.

[Jlall]

Would the vulnerability make a difference as to how weak you would respond?

 

Bill

Yes the vulnerability and seat of partner should make a huge difference in how light you will reply.

[Fluffy]

My local opponents reopen very agresively at the 1 level, so I pass a lot more than others.

 

But they are slowly learning! and we are starting to bid weaker. So far dad has passed my 2NT GF rebid 3 times, but he still complained yesterday when the bidding was pass-1♣-1♥!(♠)-4♠ arguing that I gotta bd 2NT with 19 balanced, yeah sure.... but I don't have your selective memory!

[Bbradley62]

Most of the time if I have 13 cards and little to no tolerance for the opened suit, I'll bid :( With a 5card major, especially if it is as good as QJT9x I think its important to get your suits accross. If you are weak and have a long suit, chances are you're not going to be getting many tricks in any other strains so I endeavour to get my suits in. I wouldn't hesitate about bidding 1♥ over 1♣ with something like ♠xxx ♥J9xxx ♦xxx ♣x.

So, sometimes 12 cards and little to no tolerance for the opened suit is sufficient :blink:

 

Sorry... couldn't resist...

[ggwhiz]

With most bust hands after pard opens 1 club, I'm fond of being able to bid 1 diamond and figuratively folding my cards and putting them in my pocket.

 

I've lost a handful when opps are silent and pard bids 2nt but when pard reverses or jumps in clubs, it's usually a good sacrifice.

 

When lho (with max. room) overcalls or doubles, pard doubles or redoubles to show that 2nt hand and we always seem to wiggle out to good effect.

 

I'm not so active when pard opens 1 diamond.

[bill1157]

Would the vulnerability make a difference as to how weak you would respond?

 

Bill

Yes the vulnerability and seat of partner should make a huge difference in how light you will reply.

I had heard it said that replying light to improve a misfitting contract should only be done NV, but it seems there would be a great advantage to get out of a bad fit if vulnerable (esp at MP's) if you were looking at say 3=4=5=1 after partner's 1C opening: Opps can pass 1C out and get +300 or 400 or more.

I do see on the other side a danger of getting too high and X'd...

 

Bill

[pirate22]

The instigator of this topic---is correct,as someone else said -do not rescue ones partner--have the 6 points to respond.

I am assuming the writer is ply sayc better minor-----try sayc 1d=min 4 cards-with 5 cm--therefore 1cl can be min2 or 4 cards but pard will not be holding a 4 card d suit----------on this basis a d bid is anchor if 1cl comes up do not rescue,let the opps sort it out,

as another contributor stated some hands you miss out on but usually opps come to your pards rescue.

regards