gwnn Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 When a call has no upper limit in the description it should be forcing. Today I had the sequence 1c-1d-p-1s (1s explained something like 4+s, 7+points) I guess the answer is that it's NF unless it's clearly written that it's forcing but I really think that whenever a call is NF it should have an upper limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 I don't think this is on point, but then I don't think I know the point. Anyway, I liked a frequent auction that I used to have with an old system I used to play. Opener: 1♦ (3+ diamonds, 8-22 HCP)Responder: 1M (4+ in major, 3-15 HCP, non-forcing)Opener: Pass So, the partnership at the 1♠ call could have anywhere from a combined 11 HCP to a combined 37 HCP, but the auction is non-forcing. Not sure if that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 That doesn't really help. Responder is non-forcing because he has an upper limit. Opener with 8 HCP knows that game is unlikely, and he presumably only passes with a dead minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Shouldn't that still be forcing since responder while limited points has unlimited hearts (of course fine detail on bidding system might place limits)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 A responder with an extremely long suit can probably upgrade their hand and make a stronger bid than 1M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 OK, how about this one? A pro I know played with a client, using a strong 1♣ system. He opened 1♣, which was explained as strong and forcing. The auction went 1♣-P-P-P. The opponents were cold for game in some suit. When the opponents complained, the client responded that she said it was forcing, and if they could not understand that, then that was their fault. They should not have passed a forcing bid! Does that help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 no because it was not the opponent gibs who were complaining but me :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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