Can you bid this grand?

[Free]

This is child's play using a relay system. Playing 2/1 I would get to 6 only.

 

Playing PC

1C 1H

2D 2S  2D = Odwrotka, 2S = 5 card suit, 7-10

2N 3C  2NT* = relay, 3C = 4C

3D 3NT 3D*, 3NT = s/t S

4C 4H  4C = KC,

5C 5S    5C = C ask, 5S = K

7H

Where did we find out that responder doesn't have xx xxxx Ax Kxxx or even xxx xxxxx A Kxxx ?

3NT is short ♠...

[gnasher]

3NT is short ♠...

OK. I've never seen "s/t" used as an abbreviation for "short" before, but I'm sure that the Hog will be able to make good use of the two bytes he saved by using it.

 

Do we know that responder has exactly four clubs, or could responder be 1525?

[gwnn]

isnt s/t "singleton" instead of short? i think i might have seen it used that way before. also that way it would be 6 bytes saved

[ONEferBRID]

Do we know that responder has exactly four clubs, or could responder be 1525?

I too would like to know if Hog's 3C means no more than 4 clubs...

[gszeszycki]

♠ x

♥ xxxxx

♦ Axx

♣ Kxxx

 

♠ AKQ9

♥ AKTxx

♦ x

♣ Axx

 

I am a firm believer in mini splinters and my 1M/2N (I also only promise 3 + card support for major suit raises) response includes the 1M/3M invitational raise so my bidding sequence starts out

 

1H

3H mini splinter (short spades)

3S (opener MUST start this way if they wish to take control or else a dialog begins)

this bid asks responder for any 5+ card side suit looking for extra tricks.

3N none

4C how many hearts

4H = 5 (4d would equal 4 the MINIMUM number responder can have with short

spade and no side 5 card suit).

4N how many controls in side suits (4S would be trump quality ask)

5h 3 (5c = 0/1 5d = 2)

 

at this point opener KNOWS responder is 1543 1534 or 0544 AND has dia ace but which K is also important thus

 

 

6C do you have club K? (6d would ask for dia K) you make sure to ask for the one

that allows responder to leap to 7

7h yes and nothing extra (else another cue bid to show extra for ex 7c would show club K AND club Q)

[Free]

Do we know that responder has exactly four clubs, or could responder be 1525?

I too would like to know if Hog's 3C means no more than 4 clubs...

I believe he would've said "4+♣" if 5 were possible.

 

s/t may indeed mean singleton (saves 66.67% of the bytes). The abbreviation I use for short is "$♠" which saves 80% of the bytes, but it's not as accurate.

 

:rolleyes:

[the hog]

3D 3NT 3D*, 3NT = s/t S

 

Gnasher, s/t is a universally accepted abbreviation for singleton and has been used many times on this forum.

 

Oneferbid, The initial 3C bid shows 4+ Clubs. After the 3D relay for shortness, 3NT shows exactly 4C and a stiff S. With 5C you bid past 3NT

 

If anyone is interested, this is the flavour of Odwrotka I used to play. There are, of course, others including some simpler and some more complicated.

 

2S = 5+M weak

2N = normal relay Now....

3m = 4+m (relay for l/h s/t 5431, 5422, and 5-5 low s/t)

3H = 6+M (3S relay: n/l/m/h s/t)

3S = 4+oM (relay for l/h short 5431, 5422, and 5-5 low s/t)

3N = 5332

4m = 5-5 natural, short oM

4H (after 1S) = 5-5 nat, short D

4M = 7-crds, some stiff

 

Unlike symmetric, responses do not stop at 3NT, nor is one able to distinguish between a s/t and void with 5/5 shapes.

[gnasher]

Gnasher, s/t is a universally accepted abbreviation for singleton and has been used many times on this forum.

It's not universally accepted, because I don't accept it, though I'll probably understand it next time you use it.

 

It's also not accepted by the WBF. The Guide to completion of the WBF convention card includes these definitions:

 

S/S: Short suit

S/T: Slam try

SPL: Splinter, or short suit

[the hog]

Gnasher, s/t is a universally accepted abbreviation for singleton and has been used many times on this forum.

It's not universally accepted, because I don't accept it, though I'll probably understand it next time you use it.

 

It's also not accepted by the WBF. The Guide to completion of the WBF convention card includes these definitions:

 

S/S: Short suit

S/T: Slam try

SPL: Splinter, or short suit

OK, I stand corrected universally accepted by everyone apart from Gnasher.

[hanp]

Thanks for the information, I didn't know about s/t either and would have thought it stood for slam try, some times, such that or short trumps. Is it Latin?

 

I tried searching the forums for other uses of s/t but was not succesful, and google couldn't help me either.

[the hog]

Thanks for the information, I didn't know about s/t either and would have thought it stood for slam try, some times, such that or short trumps. Is it Latin?

 

I tried searching the forums for other uses of s/t but was not succesful, and google couldn't help me either.

Well there you go. You have learned something new today. Be happy!

[pooltuna]

3D 3NT 3D*, 3NT = s/t S

 

Gnasher, s/t is a universally accepted abbreviation for singleton and has been used many times on this forum.

 

[snip] 

Well that is good to know. I certainly was ignorant of the universal acceptance and I guess that makes you the official glossary of BBOF. So I know now where to go for my acronym and near decryptions. :)

[ceeb]

Gnasher, s/t is a universally accepted abbreviation for singleton and has been used many times on this forum.

It's not universally accepted, because I don't accept it, though I'll probably understand it next time you use it.

 

It's also not accepted by the WBF. The Guide to completion of the WBF convention card includes these definitions:

 

S/S: Short suit

S/T: Slam try

SPL: Splinter, or short suit

which suggests the theory that someone once wrote "S/T" next to a slam try bid that happened to be a singleton, someone else misunderstood, and before long the error was being propagated.

 

In support of that theory, consider that the alleged abbreviation pattern is not normal English. Does it have any precedent at all? Omission of letters is the job of an apostrophe, not a slash, isn/t it? The slash in S/S for example serves to separate the two Ss to indicate separate words, not to substitute for the intermediate letters "hort" (otherwise it would be S/S/ -- "uit" would be entitled to equal representation).

 

There are many other examples of propagated errors in English -- misunderstandings that have been often repeated and even proudly defended by their errant users. One such example is "arrant nonsense", often misspelled as "errant nonsense." (Nice essay at http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/22/magazine...n_safire.html.)

[655321]

I always knew I don't live on Planet Hog, but I am pleased to learn that I don't even live in Universe Hog!

[Bbradley62]

2♦(strong, forcing, artificial, 4+ spades)-P-2♥(not four spades)-P-

3♥(4♠, 5+♥)-p-4♠(splinter)-P-

4NT-P-5♣(1430 -- one)-P-

5♦(Queen?)-P-6♣(yes because of the fifth trump, this King)-P-

This is in response to OP's request for standard(ish) methods?