ATB

[Little Kid]

[hv=d=w&v=b&n=shkt9654dj542ca98&s=sj97haq7dackqj765]133|200|Scoring: XIMP

(Pass)- 2♥ - (4♦*) - 4♥

(4♠) - Pass- (Pass)- 5♥

All Pass

 

*4♦: Leaping Michaels[/hv]

[Fluffy]

IMO north has to make a move since 4♥ suggests moving, normally a raise in hearts doesn't suggest moving, but on this position 4♥ doesn't do any harm to opponents, just give them more options so must encourage doing something.

[dake50]

Partner says we are not defending AND I have the S-void?? UP we go.

[jdonn]

Could it have hurt south to bid 5♦ instead of 5♥?

[bluecalm]

but on this position 4♥ doesn't do any harm to opponents

 

Why not ? They can't play in 4♦ anymore.

 

Partner says we are not defending AND I have the S-void?? UP we go.

 

He may think they makes often and bid 5♥ as cheap sacrifice. I think bidding 6♥ with N hand is absurd.

[CSGibson]

probably the most blame goes to the 2nd seat preempt, equal vul, with a void, a mediocre suit, and an outside ace. It's hard for S to imagine that kind of playing strength, and a slam is missed as a result.

 

I'm not saying that preempting with a void 2nd seat is a long term loser, just that it probably helped cause the problem here, as partner can't imagine that you have two first round controls in the suits he needs them most.

[kayin801]

Could it have hurt south to bid 5♦ instead of 5♥?

agree, despite it being somewhat odd to try for slam after making a non-forcing? bid.

 

Completely fine with the preempt, 1♥, 3♥, and pass are lame.

[pooltuna]

[hv=d=w&v=b&n=shkt9654dj542ca98&s=sj97haq7dackqj765]133|200|Scoring: XIMP

(Pass)- 2♥ - (4♦*) - 4♥

(4♠) - Pass- (Pass)- 5♥

All Pass

 

*4♦: Leaping Michaels[/hv]

100% to those conniving bastards E and W

[cherdanno]

Could it have hurt south to bid 5♦ instead of 5♥?

It can't hurt, but is it really a slam try? (Rather than a lead-direction in case they bid 5♠?)

[Jlall]

Could it have hurt south to bid 5♦ instead of 5♥?

It can't hurt, but is it really a slam try? (Rather than a lead-direction in case they bid 5♠?)

These were my thoughts exactly (both yours and jdonns). I was also thinking what does 4N mean (I have no idea). Maybe 4N should be a slam try and 5D lead directing in theory (allows a 5C cue etc), but obv I don't have that agreement with anyone.

 

It would be a really sick auction though... 4N 5C 5D 5S etc 7H lol.

 

Interestingly even over 5D showing just a lead directing raise with a 5H bid (aka a void), north can basically drive to slam or even try for 7 (xxx Axxx --- KQxxxx one time).

[OleBerg]

Could it have hurt south to bid 5♦ instead of 5♥?

It can't hurt, but is it really a slam try? (Rather than a lead-direction in case they bid 5♠?)

These were my thoughts exactly (both yours and jdonns). I was also thinking what does 4N mean (I have no idea). Maybe 4N should be a slam try and 5D lead directing in theory (allows a 5C cue etc), but obv I don't have that agreement with anyone.

 

It would be a really sick auction though... 4N 5C 5D 5S etc 7H lol.

 

Interestingly even over 5D showing just a lead directing raise with a 5H bid (aka a void), north can basically drive to slam or even try for 7 (xxx Axxx --- KQxxxx one time).

No way 5♦ is lead directing.

 

I have a lightner available in many cases, and I would not want to give them a free 5♥, in the cases where I am weak.

 

5♣ as a lead-director is another matter, of course.

[Free]

I blame South, he hasn't done anything to show the real strength of his hand.

[the hog]

I blame South, he hasn't done anything to show the real strength of his hand.

I agree with this.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

if someone needs to do more, than this would be South,

but I am not sure, that South should bid stronger.

 

He has no room, the 4D took away everything, he has no

reals spade length, to see, that he is facing shortage.

 

So, all in all, the auction was fine.

 

Maybe South could bid 4NT instead of 5H, as long as this is

not RKCB, something like good-bad.

Such a bid would tell p, that South intened the 4H / 5H bids as

bids to be made, that may help in the decision process, if they

come in with 5S.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[hanp]

I think that 5D is definitely lead directing. The fact that you can also ask for a diamond lead with a lightner double is irrelevant, sometimes you want a diamond lead without having to double 5S. Asking for the lead will be much more common than making a delayed slam try in this auction, and besides, 4NT is available for the slam try.

 

I don't like North's bidding. 2H is incredibly heavy, and I would have doubled 4S to show a good hand with interest in bidding 5H.

[MFA]

I would expect 5♦ to be a cuebid. There seems to be little scope for a lead director in the enemy suit here. So 5♦ would be a good bid, I think, trying to show a hand that has improved after hearing 4♠.

 

As north I would have tried 5♥ with the spade void. Double meaning "I want to bid 5♥" would be better, of course, if the partnership has such an agreement.