Patton, bidding and play

[hanp]

AKxx

Q

Kx

AK109xx

 

1C - (1S) - p - p

??

 

all vulnerable, your call?

[cloa513]

1 NT hopeful partner can offer enough in hearts and diamonds for them to not run away.

[gordontd]

I pass. They have a heart fit and/or half the points. I'd rather they played in 1S than in a red suit.

[Fluffy]

I'd double planning on bidding 3♣ next, we can easilly have game here

[Fluffy]

I pass. They have a heart fit and/or half the points. I'd rather they played in 1S than in a red suit.

you have the balance of the points agains the other 3 players :), partner can still have some values, and ♣Q and whatever red card is enough for 3NT.

[y66]

3N for me. Can always claim I missorted a small spade.

[kfay]

Please explain Patton!!

 

Is that one of those crazy IMP/MP hybrids?

[pooltuna]

AKxx

Q

Kx

AK109xx

 

1C - (1S) - p - p

??

 

all vulnerable, your call?

no -X in an auction where partner almost surely holds 4♥s is really ugly I shoot low with 2♣

[gwnn]

Please explain Patton!!

 

Is that one of those crazy IMP/MP hybrids?

There were some explanations in this thread

 

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=31514

 

it's 6 points available to be won by imps and 4 by BAM I think.

[OleBerg]

See no evil, hear no evil BID 3NT!!!

[karlson]

I think I would try 3♣. Six choices in seven responses, great problem.

[gszeszycki]

X

 

OFF shape (non penalty) doubles are worrisome mostly vs a p with unlimited shape/power. The auction here has clearly helped limit at least most of the

"unpleasant" bids partner might make. If they bid 2d or 2h (which tends to REALLY limit their power) we are probably best off merely bidding 3c--If they bid 3D or 3H

at least we know they have some POWER and now a 3N bid seems scientifically warranted.

 

If p happens to bid 2c a whole new ballgame is in order because now we have a legitimate shot at 5c and we should bid 2d (to see if p can bid 2h so we can bid 3n)

If p cannot bid 2h I would hazard a guess at 5c since all I generally need is dia Q

 

If P happens to bid 3c slam is surely possible and I think I would just bid 4n and

bid 6c opposite 1 or 2 (if p does have 2 7 is surely possible but difficult to find scientifically) and pass if opposite zero (we probably missed 3n but might salvage something)

[Fluffy]

one player is dreaming about a sequence leading to slam while other is passing a 1 level partscore, I love this game :wacko:

[hanp]

In this event there were 4 boards per round so you could win at most 8 matchpoints, and the IMPs were converted to a VP score with a maximum of 8. So MPs and IMPs had the same weight.

 

For example, differences of +30, +170, -1040 and +150 with your teammates would give you a 6-2 MPs win, and 1+5-14+4 = -4 IMPs which is this case was worth a 3-5 VP loss. The total score is then 9-7. Also, a difference of 10 points doesn't count for MPs.

[jjbrr]

1nt

[kfay]

This reminds me of a recent hand I was watching where George Jacobs, after a similar auction but very different hand bid 2NT! I certainly don't think he knew what he was doing on that hand and I disagree with what he thought it meant.

 

But what does it mean?

 

Could be like this. Maybe a hand where I may have bid 1♣-1banana; 3N in an uncontested auction, but now just would like to show long clubs, a spade stopper, and a desire to play in either 3♣ or 3NT.

[Jlall]

But what does it mean?

It shows a source of tricks (long clubs) and spades stopped and a good hand (8 tricks).

[kfay]

That's what I reasoned out but had to ask anyway cause other people know more about these things than I do.

 

Of the options, then, maybe this is best. Everything is messed up though, obviously.

 

There are a few problems with this:

 

Either partner has the hearts and a super-weak hand, which isn't so bad because he can bid 3♣ (hopefully he'll never bid 3♥!).

 

RHO has the hearts and clearly short spades so didn't want to get involved, partner raises me on some values and LHO leads a heart, I got down a million.

[hanp]

Like kfay, I bid 2NT and thought it showed this hand. Partner raised to 3H and LHO led the heart 4.

 

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K9

Qxxxx

J8x

 

AKxx

Q

Kx

AK109xx

 

RHO wins the ace and returns the heart 3, LHO smoothly playing the jack when you pitch a spade.

 

You ask for the jack of clubs and RHO plays low. When you inquire about their methods, they tell you the opening lead is attitude and they return original fourth best. They do play that 1C - 2C shows the majors but it should be constructive, like 10 HCP says RHO.

 

These are not very strong opponents and you are not sure how accurate their explanations are. Do you play for the drop or finesse?

[Fluffy]

I try the finese but not much conviction.

[karlson]

I would hook and feel pretty good about it. I will believe the hearts to be 4-5 in which case the empty spaces argument is more than enough to swing it. Plus there is the tiny chance that west would have led a spade holding the CQ.

[hanp]

They have 10 hearts.

[quiddity]

I think a weak East will always cover here, or at least hitch.

[karlson]

They have 10 hearts.

Mm, so they do. I'll still hook.

[wank]

RHO passed 1S and he's turned up with an ace already? if he's got a queen too, he's just too clever for me.

 

edit: nevermind, i just reread the bidding. ignore this crap.