Hanoi5 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Both red, you hold: ♠Tx♥T9x♦97xxx♣Kxx Pa-Pa-1♥-2♦Pa-??? Why or why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Both red, you hold: ♠Tx♥T9x♦97xxx♣Kxx Pa-Pa-1♥-2♦Pa-??? Why or why not?Why is easy. They may not yet have found a good fit and bidding over 3+ ♦ will make it harder for them to find it albeit they know you have a fit so they probably do. I suspect the most dangerous risk is that partner will expect more from your hand than you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 4♦ is not minorwood, unless I cue first. Partner will suspect I have crap, because I always do. Since 2♦ was probably six of them, I am still not law-abiding, but sheesh --4 seems like enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Both red, you hold: ♠Tx♥T9x♦97xxx♣Kxx Pa-Pa-1♥-2♦Pa-??? Why or why not? nonexpert pass........ I understand I am letting the opp rebid at a low level.....I give up on trying to steal the hand.. If forced to bid...I would bid 5d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 3½♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 I might try 4♦ if nonvul. Here it's too high for me.I bid 3♦. I have pretty good hand and good partner won't double them in partscore "because I promised something by raising". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Partner may still have a strong hand and we have a huge fit. Passing would be a very poor choice imo. 3♦ is just about right, you just say something but don't screw up any possible continuation from your partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Last time I raised an overcall to the three-level with five-card support it went for 800. I'm not sure that that tells us anything useful about this hand - I just wanted to share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 I can live with pass and 4♦, 3♦ is plain wrong, non jump raises are constructive. the flat shape leans towards pass for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 3D is obvious, and I play 4D is plain wrong at V because it's mixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 I can live with pass and 4♦, 3♦ is plain wrong, non jump raises are constructive. the flat shape leans towards pass for me. 3♦ preemptive for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Last time I raised an overcall to the three-level with five-card support it went for 800. I'm not sure that that tells us anything useful about this hand - I just wanted to share. heh I could be convinced to pass if our K was a Q and a J but with a king I think our hand is too good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 I can live with pass and 4♦, 3♦ is plain wrong, non jump raises are constructive. It depends how you define constructive. We have decent hand and 3D is going to make more often than not. If you mean "promising defensive values" I know it's common understanding but I think it's just plain wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 It depends how you define constructive. We have decent hand and 3D is going to make more often than not. If you mean "promising defensive values" I know it's common understanding but I think it's just plain wrong.This sounds good, and seems to suggest we have to pass with the given hand. Even though 3♦ would not promise defensive values, I don't think when partner doubles further competition ---or chooses to pass or to bid again (whatever) --he will be expecting this many diamonds and this weak hand. Do I have to over-ride partner's next action or just live with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 nvm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Does 17+ or 4+DT start T/O dbl first? Thus topping partner's overcall. Pass, no offense, balOr unlimited up if distributional( say 5530,6430) to get one suit in cheaply with 2nd +strong later? Thus fit asking 1st. Now 4D appeals, fit found, how high, partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszeszycki Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 The quandary presented by this hand are three fold---1. P hand is WAY WORSE (defensivly) than they have any reason to believe2. We have almost no SHAPE for a dramatic raise with our DRECK3. If we choose the dramatic raise route (4d) we clue opps in to the value of partners shortness. I would PASS----think of it this way any time opener is SHORT in dia they would reopen with an X no matter what we did---say they held AKx KQTxx x KQJxno matter if we pass bid 3d or 4d opener will X BUT give opener the following handAK KQTxx xxx KQJ same 19 count but now they have to worry about a bunch of dia losers on top of possible spade bids from p they very easily might decide to pass if we were to bid 3d or 4d however they have an EASY X because they KNOW p has a weakish highly distributional hand (or be able to support hearts and ruff dia with short suit) and is VERY short in dia. The above does not apply vs big club auctions where opener max is 15 vs 19 in sayc-2/1.Then I would bid 4d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted May 25, 2010 Report Share Posted May 25, 2010 I would always raise. 3♦. Don't care if I'm a little short in high cards. 4♦ is a too aggressive without more playing strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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