gnasher Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Playing Last Train (something I rarely do), what does it mean if you bid Last Train, partner signs off, and then you move again? For example [spades agreed] 4♥ 4♠ 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 For me this would show control in the rounded suits, and demand a diamond-controlling partner to make a forward-going move. In effect, for me it cancels last train and reverts the 4♥ call to it's previous meaning (for instance in some circumstances 4♥ showed a different control, and so 5♣ is asking for a heart control). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Last Train doesn't promise anything directly, except interest, but it might promise something inferentially. Last Train and then another call might mean that the person hoped to be able to answer rather than ask. Last Train and then another call might also mean that the person wanted to learn whether his partner did or did not have a hand worthy of accepting the last train bid. In other words, this type of sequence tends to suggest some sort of tactical thinking. What that thinking is, who knows? Context might be a clue. But, the person clearly has interest opposite a last train rejection, so no need to bid that same disinterest twice, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 While I play LTTC with several partners, the bid rarely arises and I've never had much discussion with anyone about what various things mean. Yeah...I know that this is bad..but... Anyway, bearing in mind the constraints of my ignorance, I would assume that the bid that was LTTC was either a real cue, with strong slam interest, or a LTTC with at most mild interest. In the latter case, I'd always respect a signoff. So when I move over the signoff, I cancel the LTTC meaning and confirm that the originally ambiguous call was a real cuebid. I would be interested in reading the logic of anyone who thinks that the ambiguity persists (I am not being sarcastic or negative in expressing that thought, btw). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 For me this would show control in the rounded suits, and demand a diamond-controlling partner to make a forward-going move. I agree with that.Maybe there is better treatment somewhere but I doubt it matter much. In fact I find Last Train to be not necessary (not saying it doesn't help when proper hand comes up just saying it doesn't matter almost at all overall).Probably the worse your system design (less slam invites at lower level; things like splinters not in narrow range etc.) the more you need things like serious 3NT or LTTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Playing Last Train (something I rarely do), what does it mean if you bid Last Train, partner signs off, and then you move again? For example [spades agreed] 4♥ 4♠ 5♣ It just means 4H was a legit control. Think of 4H as any hand with a slam try not willing to go past game, or just a 4H cue that may or may not go past game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Or it means the 4S bid was slow :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 While I play LTTC with several partners, the bid rarely arises and I've never had much discussion with anyone about what various things mean. Yeah...I know that this is bad..but... Anyway, bearing in mind the constraints of my ignorance, I would assume that the bid that was LTTC was either a real cue, with strong slam interest, or a LTTC with at most mild interest. In the latter case, I'd always respect a signoff. So when I move over the signoff, I cancel the LTTC meaning and confirm that the originally ambiguous call was a real cuebid. I would be interested in reading the logic of anyone who thinks that the ambiguity persists (I am not being sarcastic or negative in expressing that thought, btw). For me I haven't discussed playing it really with anyone but it comes up all the time!! No joke it really comes up very often for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Yeah obviously if you are willing to go past 4♠ but don't have a heart cue, then you just cue at the 5-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Probably the worse your system design (less slam invites at lower level; things like splinters not in narrow range etc.) the more you need things like serious 3NT or LTTC. Why wouldn't you regard Serious 3NT and LTTC as *part* of the system design? They're just two more ways to exchange information about strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.