Hanoi5 Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Teams, all red: ♠J9x♥x♦AQxxx♣AJxx 1♦-Pa-1♥-3♠Pa-4♠-X-Pa??? 1. Do you agree with the first Pass?2. What would you do now?3. What would you do over 4NT instead of X? 4. How would your answer change in other vulnerabilities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 Seems clear to me to pass at any colors and form of scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 i pass. I could pull this only with (65) or (6 diamonds and 4 hearts) or 7 diamonds, or something along these lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I think 5♣ stands out, its not so hard to construct slam hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Pulling with a stiff heart and nothing interesting about my hand is more than a little bit silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 If this hand should pull the double, then partner should have not doubled. Pass on the second round was clear. Pass now is clear. Hidden answer to 3. 4NT would have gotten me to bid 5C, but partner didn't do that. At other vunerablilities, same answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 pass: if not now, when? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 i'ma lead my stiff ♥ i reckon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I would pass originally and pass again now. I really have an unexceptional hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 BTW if opponents weren't vulnerable, chances of partner havig spade void would be much less and then I think I'd pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 If partner had ♣ K10xxxx and ♥ Axxxx and doubleton diamonds and spades void, should he have bid 5♣ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 1. Do you agree with the first Pass?2. What would you do now?3. What would you do over 4NT instead of X? 4. How would your answer change in other vulnerabilities? 1. Yes, what else ?2. Pass3. Bid 5♣4. Always pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I'm with Fluffy on this one, I'd pull to 5♣ since I expect partner to have a ♠ void. NV I'd probably pass. If partner bids 4NT, it seems extremely obvious to just bid my 2nd suit, so 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I'm with Fluffy on this one, I'd pull to 5♣ since I expect partner to have a ♠ void. NV I'd probably pass. Yeah, after constructing some sample hands for partner it really looks like pulling works very often.While my initial instinct was very strong (Pass !) I am now reconsidering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 If partner had ♣ K10xxxx and ♥ Axxxx and doubleton diamonds and spades void, should he have bid 5♣ . YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I don't know when people are being sarcastic so... Partner had: ♠---♥QTxxx♦Kxx♣KQxxx He actually passed 4♠ as did I. In a later discussion I said I'd pass a double from partner but suggested he should probably bid 4NT (instead of doubling). Now I think 5♣ is another possibility, what would you consider best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I don't know when people are being sarcastic so... Partner had: ♠---♥QTxxx♦Kxx♣KQxxx He actually passed 4♠ as did I. In a later discussion I said I'd pass a double from partner but suggested he should probably bid 4NT (instead of doubling). Now I think 5♣ is another possibility, what would you consider best?I think he should have bid 4NT. In fact I think it's a model hand for that bid, 0-5-3-5 with strong minors, what would fit better for that bid? A void in their suit is so huge in these competitive sequences. So it's definitely wrong to double. Even more so when the points are not in the bid suit (here: ♥) so that partner will misevaluate a shortness there with length in the minors. The actual opening hand should pass 4♠X. He shouldn't speculate that partner might be void in spades, since with a void it is usually wrong to double 4♠ in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I think he should have bid 4NT. In fact I think it's a model hand for that bid, 0-5-3-5 with strong minors, what would fit better for that bid? I think it's reasonable to play 4NT as showing 6♥-4m here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I think he should have bid 4NT. In fact I think it's a model hand for that bid, 0-5-3-5 with strong minors, what would fit better for that bid? I think it's reasonable to play 4NT as showing 6♥-4m here. I think that's too specific. I think 4NT should cover all take-outs which for some reason don't like to double or bid a suit. Sometimes we only have the reds, for instance, and pull 5♣ to 5♦. Sometimes we can play in all three strains like here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 I think that's too specific. I think 4NT should cover all take-outs which for some reason don't like to double or bid a suit. Sometimes we only have the reds, for instance, and pull 5♣ to 5♦. Sometimes we can play in all three strains like here. Yeah for sure there are other reasonable treatments. Playing it as 6♥-4m has an advantage of being able to find 6-2♥ contract.I don't like playing it as "anything". How is partner supposed to react with say 3-2-5-3 if we can have either 0-5-4-4 or 1-5-2-5 or even 1-6-2-4 ?I see merits in playing it as "general t/o" so he just bids his distribution (5♣ with 4+♣, 5♦ with 5 of them) but then we can't bid it with 2 suiter (which I think isn't much of a loss). Actual hand would fit perfectly for such treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszeszycki Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Teams, all red: ♠J9x♥x♦AQxxx♣AJxx 1♦-Pa-1♥-3♠Pa-4♠-X-Pa??? P bidding 4n over 4s looks WAYYYYYYY too much like blackwood for hearts----the x here (with obviously short spades) must be for offensive purposes. I havea very reasonable hand and would bid 5c IF I had more power I would bid 4N (dont try to convince me 4n is a guess to play when i could pass for penalty) or (that i am suddenly good enough to start a blackwood sequence) to show minors and power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 4NT doesn't look like blackwood for hearts to me and I'm guessing 99% of the forums. Also, 0% of the forums plays 1d-p-1h-3sp-4s-x-p4nt as 'a guess to play'. I think you are wrong about these forums' tendencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 P bidding 4n over 4s looks WAYYYYYYY too much like blackwood for hearts---- LOL dont try to convince meLOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Nvm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Teams, all red: ♠J9x♥x♦AQxxx♣AJxx 1♦-Pa-1♥-3♠Pa-4♠-X-Pa??? 1. Do you agree with the first Pass?2. What would you do now?3. What would you do over 4NT instead of X? 4. How would your answer change in other vulnerabilities?1] yes2] If we have a game I cannot see where it is consequently I go for the plus score and pass3] I respond Aces but not sure which suit. If pard wanted to play NT he would have hit this ♣♦♥♠4] IMO too many variables to change response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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