Your idea

[H_KARLUK]

IMPs, both vul, dealer E

North holds ♠K10 ♥10873 ♦94 ♣KQ1098

P-1♦-1♥-?

How do you bid in your system?

[hanp]

1S

[ArcLight]

How about 1NT?

[jjbrr]

http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=39224

[kfay]

1s for me too.

[CSGibson]

With one partner I've agreed to play X as showing values & the other minor, without a 4 card spade suit (1♠ response only shows 4 in that partnership). That would be my bid.

 

Edit: Just saw Jeremy linked to a similar idea. Look at that thread if you want a fuller explanation provided by better players.

[bluecalm]

2♣ with most partners (which is not forcing).

1♠ with some others (which is tranfer to NT or clubs).

 

Standard treatment where I live is to play 2♣ as natural and not forcing.

[helene_t]

How about 1NT?

No thanks.

 

Pass, unless I have agreed on a way to show this hand.

[Phil]

This hand hits a seam in my system so I have to pass.

 

Slightly jealous of the structures that use 1♠. Not at all jealous of structures that use double or 2♣ to show this hand, even though they might gain here.

[the hog]

X in my system

 

Not much wrong with 1NT either and certainly rate that much higher than pass

[awm]

I don't really mind pass on this hand. If partner's not balancing then RHO is probably playing in our 4-3 fit, which is likely better than declaring our way. If partner balances I can bid 3♣ on a known fit with a "good" heart holding opposite partner's shortness (okay maybe doubleton). It seems likely that we're better off playing in clubs than in notrump (which would be the contract if I bid 1NT). In some partnerships I play 1♠ here as "takeout of hearts" but I'd rather have a third diamond for that call (enabling partner to bid 2♦ on five, which doesn't make me really happy when I hold this example hand).

[mike777]

pass...close.

[jdonn]

Pass is totally fine and much better than 1NT, if partner passes it out I'm happy and if he doubles I have an easy 3♣ bid. But of course if you play X or 1♠ as denying 4 spades then it's perfectly good to use it here. In my prefered system (which I usually don't get to play) I would bid 1♠ denying spades.

[H_KARLUK]

This was full deal :

 

[hv=d=e&v=b&n=sk10h10873d94ckq1098&w=sqj4hqj542daqcj64&e=s9765hak9d10732c75&s=sa832h6dkj865ca32]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

East   South   West   North

   P         1♦       1♥         ?

[bluecalm]

This was full deal :

 

Give us full bidding too !

[Free]

I have an easy 1♠ bid: values, less than 4♠, no support, not strong enough for bidding a suit of my own at 2-level, no stopper for 1NT. After this, South can easily rebid 2♣ with his 5-3, or Dbl if East raises.

[gnasher]

The full deal shows the downside of passing on this type: East will bid 2♥, and it's not clear that either North or South should bid.

 

If North bids 1NT over 1♥, South can safely make a takeout double of 2♥ and we get to 3♣.

[bluecalm]

East will bid 2♥, and it's not clear that either North or South should bid.

 

I think N should reopen with 3♣ if 2♥ is passed to him, xxxx of trumps is big because we gain a lot of ruffing value. The worse case scenario is partner being 4-1-6-2 and it's not that bad anyway.

[jdonn]

The full deal shows the downside of passing on this type: East will bid 2♥, and it's not clear that either North or South should bid.

 

If North bids 1NT over 1♥, South can safely make a takeout double of 2♥ and we get to 3♣.

Wow I think it's utterly clear north should balance when 2♥ comes back. Surely there are better examples than this of reasons to bid 1NT.

[gnasher]

Wow I think it's utterly clear north should balance when 2♥ comes back. Surely there are better examples than this of reasons to bid 1NT.

Well, you're relying a lot on your opponents to have eight hearts. If partner has A8xx xx KJxxx Ax, getting to 3♣ isn't exactly a triumph.

[karlson]

I think south should double 2♥ even if north passes.

[hanp]

Strongly disagree Karlson. There are a few bids left of which I think they show extras.

[Jlall]

I think south should double 2♥ even if north passes.

umm gross

[jdonn]

Wow I think it's utterly clear north should balance when 2♥ comes back. Surely there are better examples than this of reasons to bid 1NT.

Well, you're relying a lot on your opponents to have eight hearts. If partner has A8xx xx KJxxx Ax, getting to 3♣ isn't exactly a triumph.

Something doesn't have to be a 100% action to be utterly clear. And even opposite that 3♣ is not the worst thing to ever happen to me. I still do not see the possibility of a raise to 2♥ as any sort of reason to bid 1NT the first time here.