Cascade Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I don't have the exact hand - I might be able to find it if I am pushed. Sitting south I have a non-descript 12 count with 3343 distribution. Some thing like: [hv=d=s&v=n&s=skxxhxxxdaxxxckqx]133|100|Scoring: IMPs[/hv] 1♦ (1♥) Dbl (Pass)? What do you rebid? Not willing to bid NTs without a stopper in the opponent's suit I tried 2♣ but that only led to a worse problem ... 1♦ (1♥) Dbl (Pass)2♣ (Pass) 2♥ (Pass)? What now? Should I have done something different at my second turn to call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Does your double show 4 spades? Being law followers, we like to bid 1S on this hand and bid 2S on all minimums with 4S. I'm not sure how common this treatment is, but it has saved us on more than one occasion (which is pretty good when we play twice a year) I might have bid 1S even without the agreement, hoping not to be raised to game :( If it denies spades, partner has to have clubs and I'd just bite the bullet and bid 'em again over 2H. What else can you do? Partner has to realize that you could hold this hand. A perfect example of your post on another thread that passing when you have no good bid isn't always wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted July 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Being law followers, we like to bid 1S on this hand and bid 2S on all minimums with 4S. I like this idea. On this occasion double did show four spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I have seen it suggested that 1NT need not promise a guard in this situation.Advancer's failure to support Hearts and overcaller's failure to jump combine to suggest that either partner can guard the suit or the suit is blocked or they are not running too many of them.If you die in 1NT and they can run the suit you can bide your time discarding losers until you get in, and you may still have enough to make (or if you go down they may be making a partscore in H).If partner has extras he has room to look for a genuine guard and will be on notice not to expect too much shape from you when you deny (although it does require the discipline to ask about it).Bidding 1NT may prevent them competing further in H, but if you alert the 1N as not promising a guard then that should not be relied upon (anyway, perhaps you should encourage them to continue competing in H?) I am not convinced by this reasoning, but as I say, I have seen it postulated. Personally I prefer the 1S/2S agreement, although it will not always be available: What if your majors were reversed and it had gone 1D (1S) X (P)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 One of the french schools of bidding also advocates bidding 1S on this hand, with 2/3/4S 4-card support of the appropriate strenght. With reversed majors... well, I suppose 1NT would have to be. I never cared much for stoppers anyway :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 1♠ clearcut. With 4 card ♠ you should always bid 2♠ to keep opps from finding a minor fit to defend in. I wonder when Luke Warm is going to say that this is a nice 1NT opener according to his standards :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 On your first turn I'd bid 1NT, pd asked for a descriptive bid not for stoppers and we do have a balanced hand, so 1NT is the most descriptive bid. 2♣ in my opinion showing 9 cards in the minors is too missleading. Once you bid 2♣ over 2♥ you can bid 2NT or 2♠ 2NT showing 2-2-5-4 or 2-2-4-5 is probably better than 2♠ showing 3-1-5-4 or 3-1-4-5.Anyway when I have a 4333 hand I like to bid 1NT if I can.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 id bid 1nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben47 Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 I would've started with 1♠ on my second turn. Now I bid 2♠. 2NT without a stopper is silly at this point. Partner might now think you have something like: AKxxKQxxxxxxx but thinking you have a stopper when you don't is worse. Gerben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 With an understanding partner I'd have rebid 1NT but can certainly live with 2♣. Now the problem seems to have got easier rather than worse, since a 2♠ bid looks clearcut. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rado Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Hi all,It's usefull agreement to bid 1NT in similar positions showing shape and range nevermind stopper. There is enough space to check for stoppers if we belong to 3NT and the risk of wrong-siding the contract is fairly low comparing with simplicity of the next bids (if any). It's your P behind the overcall so if he has any stops they are well placed.I've using such methods for the last 10 years and the results seem fairly normal without any tricky bids and misunderstandings.RegardsRado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 1♠, and I don't always have 4 for that bid. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 easy 1nt opening (heheh.. happy free?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoine Fourrière Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 1N, to show pattern and not stoppers. I would bid 1♠ with 3=2=4=4 or 3=2=5=3 (unless I have Kx or Qx to protect) and 2♠ with four cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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