Choose your bid

[H_KARLUK]

Try this? sure, why not Fluffy,

 

1♠ X P and you said you've KT983-T872-4-Q85. So would you pass to take out double with that weird shape? Remember, nothing said about t/o HCP range and complete shape.

 

Say you passed :

declarer holds AQJ64-Qx-Axx-xxx

for example your partner holds : x-AKJx-KQxxx-KJX. This also may be any different hand.

 

Easy 4H tho you beat 1S, right?

 

That's why i asked over 1S x promises exactly 4+H and 17+ or not.

 

Really when you overcall 2D at 2nd seat? Just 10 hcp and 5 timz suit? Tell me where it ends and where X starts in your book!

 

In original layout the cards I do not see at 2nd seat are :

S AKQJT

H AKT

D QJT

C KQJ

 

I only see xx-QJ9-AK9XX-ATX, OBVIOUSLY NOT A ROSE GARDEN.

 

25 hcp OUTSIDE! Nice dreams. Maybe you've some magic formulaes how to encounter such problems. The guys i met in real life mostly don't. The audience awaits you to enlighten 'em. Add something abt yrself. Only Fluffy knows better who is Fluffy.

 

I expect more witful tech remarks.

[jdonn]

So nice to have h karluk back, I was getting worried we would be stuck with an intelligent bridge discussion, but instead we get the joy of foo with worse English.

[H_KARLUK]

So nice to have h karluk back, I was getting worried we would be stuck with an intelligent bridge discussion, but instead we get the joy of foo with worse English.

Hey kid,

 

The meaning of foo was not found in my dictionary and lifestyle.

 

However in nearest national i will ask this problem to some nice guys widely accepted as heavy rivets in USA Bridge. I bet they are able to represent very meaningful explanations and tech evidences, reasonings.

 

You are an American but i am not and English is not my parent language. What a big deal. Sheesh. Take care!

[655321]

H_Karluk, I am pleased to see that you have fixed your keyboard.

 

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[H_KARLUK]

H_Karluk, I am pleased to see that you have fixed your keyboard.

 

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Oh yea, 65 whatever. What a big surprise. May shatter the world? Wow!

 

I think i watched this movie, dull one.

 

You know in real life guys here don't care "th. kuntry, korner etc". I guess either they or you are wrong.

[jdonn]

So nice to have h karluk back, I was getting worried we would be stuck with an intelligent bridge discussion, but instead we get the joy of foo with worse English.

Hey kid,

 

The meaning of foo was not found in my dictionary and lifestyle.

It might not be in your dictionary but it's definitely in your lifestyle.

[H_KARLUK]

So nice to have h karluk back, I was getting worried we would be stuck with an intelligent bridge discussion, but instead we get the joy of foo with worse English.

Hey kid,

 

The meaning of foo was not found in my dictionary and lifestyle.

It might not be in your dictionary but it's definitely in your lifestyle.

Very unlucky and mean guess, you better work math homeworks much. Your personal attack to someone's privacy should be a projection method in psychology. You know when you look into a mirror you only see yourself but not anyone.

 

Good to see your real SHORT caliber, haha. What an ugly syndrome. It stinks.

[jdonn]

Hey! I have no idea what anything I said has to do with math, but I'm good at math darnit.

[flytoox]

Somewhat off track, but supposing you hold the example hand and double, then hear 1NT from partner... do you raise to 2NT?

 

It seems that 3NT is actually decent opposite several of the example hands.

 

Obviously the decision of whether to raise should depend on the range of 1NT, but while I believe this should be something like 6-9 (i.e. same as after an opening), I've heard a lot of people claim that they prefer 8-11 or similar. Won't this hand make game fairly frequently opposite 10-11 points with spades stopped?

My line to raise to 2N is 14-15HCP with a good suit, 16-18 balanced.

 

With 16-18 and a good suit, will just raise to 3N.

 

More important is whether you have a good suit, not that much about high card points. This is particularly true when opponent has already shown a long suit.

[underruff]

Double is better than 2D

[H_KARLUK]

Double is better than 2D

When you say something explain the reasoning. "I choose double rather than 2D because etc" gives an idea.

 

Otherwise that doesn't mean anything.

[gwnn]

H_Karluk, what exactly was your reasoning? I know you are a great vugraph commentator and everybody loves you but what was your reasoning? Except a few ill-conceived example hands.

[pooltuna]

Double is better than 2D

When you say something explain the reasoning. "I choose double rather than 2D because etc" gives an idea.

 

Otherwise that doesn't mean anything.

You are right choosing one over another is just a tally of preferences. In fact the double increases the probability of finding 8+ card ♥ and ♣ fit and 9+ card ♦ fits sacrificing the possible 8 card ♦ fit while avoiding the 7 or less card ♦ fit. The double also increase the chances of finding a possible ♥ game when partner is able to call 3♥ over the X. Most people here in the fora try to be somewhat scientific in choosing calls and recognize that example hands exist that indicate that any particular call could be a winning decision. It is the probablilty of occurence of these that is important. Consequently only simulations with DD play tend to indicate the probable best course of action. So give us the results of those simulations rather than example hands if you want us to believe that 2♦ is a better call than X.

[H_KARLUK]

H_Karluk, what exactly was your reasoning? I know you are a great vugraph commentator and everybody loves you but what was your reasoning? Except a few ill-conceived example hands.

ill-conceived? Ok, another Laurel Hardy fan, might speak about himself. Another one from bad crack voices chorus who can't live with opposite ideas. No big deal. Go slapping each others back, who cares.

 

Behave! I'm not in a good mood to buy arguments. Just read whole discussion and try to post some tech ideas like I did.

 

For now i prefer not to use much XL size English lingo, just giving you another chance to apologize, right and fair? In fact even my 28 y.o. son can hurt anybody to defend himself with his whip tongue more than that, but that's another story.

 

Stop flattery and trying to bother the people don't agree with you. Learn patience and virtue to listen counter ideas. Like or dislike, that's daily life.

 

Your ravings cannot help you to jump maturity in a second, instead put down your head into much troubles in real life.

 

Good luck kid!

[gwnn]

I asked you a question. Please answer.

[H_KARLUK]

I asked you a question. Please answer.

Just a recommend : try to ask your questions without prejudice. Why I need to explain again the things i alread tried to show with full hands? Loaded questions are simple and ridiculous things.

 

I said just read whole posts then try to objective.

 

I guess this conversation outdated. Take care!

[gwnn]

'What exactly was your reasoning?' is a loaded question? How? I simply did not understand your reasoning. I still don't. Please explain. I read your posts but I don't understand what your reasoning is. I don't want to be mean to you but I don't understand. Please explain your reasoning because I do not understand what you are trying to say.

[H_KARLUK]

'What exactly was your reasoning?' is a loaded question? How? I simply did not understand your reasoning. I still don't. Please explain. I read your posts but I don't understand what your reasoning is. I don't want to be mean to you but I don't understand. Please explain your reasoning because I do not understand what you are trying to say.

Stop playing the God. I know it's very early but when the time came and you became a father you'll learn that you cannot even try to punish anybody when you disagree no matter in your family or neighbors or anywhere. That's a big big favor i recommended. Hope in th future you remember and appreciate me.

 

'What exactly was your reasoning? followed ill-conceived. i don't care you play th funny. Use it, cry, yell, he said 'th'.

 

Kid, while you are new trying to walk on those half-truth pavements i already travelled around the world.

 

Don't push!

[gwnn]

OK I asked you a simple question, I don't think I was 'playing the God'.

 

'ill-conceived' is not a bad word, it just means I did not think your example hands were very convincing. It is not a personal insult, since it qualified your example hands, not you. It is just my opinion.

 

I know I am younger than you and I am very happy that you have visited more countries than I have. But how is this relevant to my question? I just asked you to provide me your reasoning in a better form. I am not playing God, I am not doing monkey business, I am not pretending to be xpertz. I just asked you a question, I don't know why you think it is necessary to talk about my age or the number of countries I have visited. Suppose you went to 50 countries and you were 40 years old. I have visited, say, 20 and I am 22, does that mean I am not qualified enough? What would a 5 year old get who has only been to the next village? :(

[H_KARLUK]

OK I asked you a simple question, I don't think I was 'playing the God'.

 

'ill-conceived' is not a bad word, it just means I did not think your example hands were very convincing. It is not a personal insult, since it qualified your example hands, not you. It is just my opinion.

 

I know I am younger than you and I am very happy that you have visited more countries than I have. But how is this relevant to my question? I just asked you to provide me your reasoning in a better form. I am not playing God, I am not doing monkey business, I am not pretending to be xpertz. I just asked you a question, I don't know why you think it is necessary to talk about my age or the number of countries I have visited. Suppose you went to 50 countries and you were 40 years old. I have visited 20 and I am 22, does that mean I am not qualified enough? What would a 5 year old get who has only been to the next village? :(

Tragedy but who knows still there's a small hope.

 

How about to see your reasonings say you choose double instead of 2D?

 

Can you explain your reasonings and prove with sample hands if you seriously want to discuss tech matters ?

 

ps, Can you become a father in 12 y.o. when you've a 28 y.o. son? (you said suppose you're at 40 y.o. etc) . Allright, I am 55 y.o. and i started to think maybe i am at wrong address to read things about BRIDGE GAME, but not anymore about somebody's personal feelings, nonsense stuff. I thought you're good enough at Math and i remember encouraged you to go on that successfull way. What a surprise.

[Phil]

H_Karluk, I haven't posted much on this topic, but do you think that you are the only one on BBF that

 

1) is older than 24;

2) fathered children;

3) has already had a lot of life experiences?

 

This is a bridge forum. At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, please stop offering unsolicited advice on manners, decorum and style. No one really cares.

 

If you have something constructive to add to the discussion, I would be interested to see your rationale for 2♦. And I would also be surprised if more than 3 in 10 qualified bridge (would a Grand LM fit this definition for you?) players choose your choice. I'll find five on the west coast and you find five on the east coast. I will give you their e-mail addresses and I will expect you to copy me on the transmittal. Many of us will eat crow if we are wrong, but I am willing to wager a Benjamin that I am right and the loser pays up in New Orleans at a BBF gathering. Sound fair?

 

As MikeH says, there's plenty to learn about on here. Many times, we have all gone down in flames defending a position that was undefensible. MikeH is doing this currently on the "would you allow the raise to 6" thread (haha JK :( ) and I have done this several times in the past two months alone.

 

If you want to engage people and accuse them of bad manners, then you're nothing more than a troll with an internet connection.

[655321]

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[gwnn]

Why should I answer you if you don't answer me at all, instead you bring your age and how many countries you have visited into the discussion?

 

Anyway fair enough I guess the younger I am and the fewer children I have, the less questions I have the right to ignore.

 

Double for me promises 0-3 spades, 3-4 hearts, 3-5 diamonds, 3-5 clubs, with (about) 11+ hcp. I like making takeout doubles on hands with no spade wastage, even if they are relatively balanced. This is because even if I am balanced, the other people who are playing bridge in my company could be quite unbalanced. For example, from the left side we could have some unpleasant surprises, suppose he bids

2 spades

3 spades

4 spades

Now if partner knows that we will have tolerance for all three unbid suits, he will be able to compete and we will find good contracts.

 

2D for me promises a hand that is really interested in playing in diamonds. It may be 5 cards but only in exceptional cases, for example if I am relatively short in hearts, for example

 

xx

xx

AKJxx

AQxx.

 

I do not like bidding 2♦ on hands like this one because partner will only know about my diamonds and nothing else. This is in contrast with the other alternative, takeout double, which offers three strains to partner, partner will appreciate knowing that his 6 card club suit or 5 card heart suit has good support from us. Also, by bidding 2♦, partner will be rightly expecting 6 diamonds, sometimes we will not have it, but I would say it is about equally likely that we have 5 diamonds or 7. When we have the most balanced pattern possible with a 5 card suit, 5332 and all we say to partner is 'diamonds', it is not quite enough information to partner.

 

I am not a fan of full example hands. I think with 2 or 3 example hands you can prove anything. I hope you will forgive me for not providing any of them.

[H_KARLUK]

H_Karluk, I haven't posted much on this topic, but do you think that you are the only one on BBF that

 

1) is older than 24;

2) fathered children;

3) has already had a lot of life experiences?

 

This is a bridge forum. At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, please stop offering unsolicited advice on manners, decorum and style. No one really cares.

 

If you have something constructive to add to the discussion, I would be interested to see your rationale for 2♦. And I would also be surprised if more than 3 in 10 qualified bridge (would a Grand LM fit this definition for you?) players choose your choice. I'll find five on the west coast and you find five on the east coast. I will give you their e-mail addresses and I will expect you to copy me on the transmittal. Many of us will eat crow if we are wrong, but I am willing to wager a Benjamin that I am right and the loser pays up in New Orleans at a BBF gathering. Sound fair?

 

As MikeH says, there's plenty to learn about on here. Many times, we have all gone down in flames defending a position that was undefensible. MikeH is doing this currently on the "would you allow the raise to 6" thread (haha JK  :( ) and I have done this several times in the past two months alone. 

 

If you want to engage people and accuse them of bad manners, then you're nothing more than a troll with an internet connection.

Phil. don't question me, tell abt yrself.

 

You know what you can do anybody disagree with you can also do the same or much better/worst. No need to buy personal engagements. There's freedom of speech. If you like read, if you dislike ignore.

 

Just show me tech evidences, who cares personal ravings.

 

Be honest, have you ever seen any statement or approach about to boast " hey we teach you, we don't care that's unsolicited or not" on ACBL magazine or any serious and widely accepted WLM/WGM.

 

That's madness to judge opposition ideas with demagogy methods, mostly namecalling etc. Just tell your tech idea abt th problem, show your sample hand/s or diagram and forget th rest you agree or disagree.

 

What? Say you intend form 5 men team from this forum members thinks alike? Who cares? Just good luck!

[H_KARLUK]

Why should I answer you if you don't answer me at all, instead you bring your age and how many countries you have visited into the discussion?

 

Anyway fair enough I guess the younger I am and the fewer children I have, the less questions I have the right to ignore.

 

Double for me promises 0-3 spades, 3-4 hearts, 3-5 diamonds, 3-5 clubs, with (about) 11+ hcp.  I like making takeout doubles on hands with no spade wastage, even if they are relatively balanced. This is because even if I am balanced, the other people who are playing bridge in my company could be quite unbalanced. For example, from the left side we could have some unpleasant surprises, suppose he bids

2 spades

3 spades

4 spades

Now if partner knows that we will have tolerance for all three unbid suits, he will be able to compete and we will find good contracts.

 

2D for me promises a hand that is really interested in playing in diamonds. It may be 5 cards but only in exceptional cases, for example if I am relatively short in hearts, for example

 

xx

xx

AKJxx

AQxx.

 

I do not like bidding 2♦ on hands like this one because partner will only know about my diamonds and nothing else. This is in contrast with the other alternative, takeout double, which offers three strains to partner, partner will appreciate knowing that his 6 card club suit or 5 card heart suit has good support from us. Also, by bidding 2♦, partner will be rightly expecting 6 diamonds, sometimes we will not have it, but I would say it is about equally likely that we have 5 diamonds or 7. When we have the most balanced pattern possible with a 5 card suit, 5332 and all we say to partner is 'diamonds', it is not quite enough information to partner.

 

I am not a fan of full example hands. I think with 2 or 3 example hands you can prove anything. I hope you will forgive me for not providing any of them.

Allright, you can play in that way with your partner and who knows can be a winner when i play X exactly promises 4♥, X after new suit 17+.

 

Does it matters who'll win who'll lose? Even in a family still everybody is responsible about his/her life.

 

What? To be an old school member is a sin? THANKS GOD FINALLY You said your tech way , i said my tech way.

 

That's life, if you upset about everything and overreact you invite unwanted white hairs at an early age. Not worths, believe or not you lose but not anybody!