Choose your bid

[hanp]

I would double.

 

 

[hv=d=h&v=n&n=saqt64ha32d32cj42&w=sj83hkt87dq8ckq65&e=s72hqj9dak965cat3&s=sk95h654djt74c987]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

[hanp]

Does it matters who'll win who'll lose?

 

I can answer that with another quote:

 

ok...

 

if winning....    does not matter then...

 

 

what are we discussing.... and why?

 

Agree with Mike.

[gwnn]

Fair enough but could you tell me what 'tech' means?

[H_KARLUK]

Fair enough but could you tell me what 'tech' means?

Tech = technical

[H_KARLUK]

Does it matters who'll win who'll lose?

 

I can answer that with another quote:

 

ok...

 

if winning....    does not matter then...

 

 

what are we discussing.... and why?

 

Agree with Mike.

just curiosity, you discuss a lot and helps to win forever?

[Phil]

Phil. don't question me, tell abt yrself.

Merhaba Hamdi, çünkü bana sorulduğunda, ben oldukça başarılı olan üç yetişkin çocukları var. Bu format okumak için kolaydır umuyoruz.

 

Eğer benim son posta anlamadı, ben 100 $ olmak isteyen hiçbir fazla üç Amerikan Grand LMS bu eli ile 2D üste konuşma değil inanıyorum. Kazanan New Orleans toplayacaktır.

 

Tamam mı?

[hanp]

I discuss bridge a lot, but giving poor contrived examples where a particular choice is bad is not very helpful I think.

[gwnn]

Iyi fikir Phil!

[H_KARLUK]

Phil. don't question me, tell abt yrself.

Merhaba Hamdi, çünkü bana sorulduğunda, ben oldukça başarılı olan üç yetişkin çocukları var. Bu format okumak için kolaydır umuyoruz.

 

Eğer benim son posta anlamadı, ben 100 $ olmak isteyen hiçbir fazla üç Amerikan Grand LMS bu eli ile 2D üste konuşma değil inanıyorum. Kazanan New Orleans toplayacaktır.

 

Tamam mı?

Hi Phil, nice try. In case you need better translation drop me a note. I am sorry but i don't care strangers even they are $ billionaries.

 

We'll see. You and I are free what to believe, right? I would prefer to take money in Poker/Blackjack. But that's another story.

 

If you believe your ideas are good enough why don't you try Cavendish? I guess there are much bets. You can buy your pair/team say minimum $12.500 and try your chance. Obviously $100 bet offer lesser than that amount.

 

Help yourself. Perhaps you bring people there who claps your idea/s. But that's not my problem. I may only enjoy to see how far you can go there :( Seems there's a tad worship to American GLMS and ignore rest of daily club players, have fun!

[mikeh]

As MikeH says, there's plenty to learn about on here. Many times, we have all gone down in flames defending a position that was undefensible. MikeH is doing this currently on the "would you allow the raise to 6" thread (haha JK  :( )

 

Aha! Read the thread again, you troll! (jk). My p.o.v. seems to be gaining support!

 

More seriously, I like your post, Phil. I tried to reason with karluk by a pm, but it is obvious that there is a conceptual gap at work here. I suspect that this may be reflected in his signature: those who profess absolute certainty seem rarely able to entertain conflicting ideas.

 

When a foo appears, here or in the WC, it is usually best to ignore them, since all attempts to engage them in discussion merely provoke more posts.

 

 

oh....since that's often my response to those who dare to disagree with me, maybe I'm a f...... :P

[cherdanno]

Is there any chance to convince the moderators to move this thread to a different forum?

[H_KARLUK]

As MikeH says, there's plenty to learn about on here. Many times, we have all gone down in flames defending a position that was undefensible. MikeH is doing this currently on the "would you allow the raise to 6" thread (haha JK  :( )

 

Aha! Read the thread again, you troll! (jk). My p.o.v. seems to be gaining support!

 

More seriously, I like your post, Phil. I tried to reason with karluk by a pm, but it is obvious that there is a conceptual gap at work here. I suspect that this may be reflected in his signature: those who profess absolute certainty seem rarely able to entertain conflicting ideas.

 

When a foo appears, here or in the WC, it is usually best to ignore them, since all attempts to engage them in discussion merely provoke more posts.

 

 

oh....since that's often my response to those who dare to disagree with me, maybe I'm a f...... :P

As I said who cares who slapped th other's back, personally i don't care such pattern.

 

#1 - You are a troll

#2 - Nah, i believe u r th same

 

That goes till to morning but kids sleep in their beds, and the world is still safe.

 

Moreover funny guys believe everybody entitled to their opinion.

 

Get a life should be th correct advise.

[gwnn]

What does this mean? I do not wish to imply that your English is bad, I think it is my English comprehension that is bad. I simply don't understand your last post.

[junyi_zhu]

Sitting east, you hold:

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=s72hqj9dak965cat3]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

North opened 1S, what do you bid?

 

PASS, 2D, or DBL?

Double or 2D are both fine IMO. Pass is too chicken. 2D is good when partner has some D support and is able to raise you. Double is good when partner holds a weakish hand without D support. 2D may lead to some huge penalties when you are unlucky, still it's rare. Double may shut you out after 1S x 2S p p. Also, double isn't really that safe after 1S, when you get redoubled, you still may not find your best trump fit and suffer a large number.

[H_KARLUK]

What does this mean? I do not wish to imply that your English is bad, I think it is my English comprehension that is bad. I simply don't understand your last post.

Nowadays, you don't understand many things for example a very poor grammar Turkish language text posted by Phil but you say "good idea" in Turkish Language.

 

To be fair "that's weird".

[gwnn]

I translated Phil's post with google translate and then translated English back to Turkish. I couldn't translate your last post to anything.

 

As I said who cares who slapped th other's back, personally i don't care such pattern.

 

#1 - You are a troll

#2 - Nah, i believe u r th same

 

That goes till to morning but kids sleep in their beds, and the world is still safe.

 

Moreover funny guys believe everyboy entitled to their opinion.

 

Get a life should be th correct advise.

 

I understand every word from this, but overall I don't understand what it means. I would say I understand almost no single sentence from this, let alone the text.

[hanp]

Go easy on the old man please, Turkish s not his native language.

[H_KARLUK]

Sitting east, you hold:

Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ 72 ♥ QJ9 ♦ AK965 ♣ AT3

 

North opened 1S, what do you bid?

 

PASS, 2D, or DBL?

Double or 2D are both fine IMO. Pass is too chicken. 2D is good when partner has some D support and is able to raise you. Double is good when partner holds a weakish hand without D support. 2D may lead to some huge penalties when you are unlucky, still it's rare. Double may shut you out after 1S x 2S p p. Also, double isn't really that safe after 1S, when you get redoubled, you still may not find your best trump fit and suffer a large number.

Thanks.

[junyi_zhu]

Somewhat off track, but supposing you hold the example hand and double, then hear 1NT from partner... do you raise to 2NT?

 

It seems that 3NT is actually decent opposite several of the example hands.

 

Obviously the decision of whether to raise should depend on the range of 1NT, but while I believe this should be something like 6-9 (i.e. same as after an opening), I've heard a lot of people claim that they prefer 8-11 or similar. Won't this hand make game fairly frequently opposite 10-11 points with spades stopped?

I am one of those who advocates a very sound range for 1N, but even I give leeway for partner when the suit is spades, and we are NV so whatever, I wouldn't raise. I do think we will often miss game opposite 10-11 counts though.

 

I would 100 % raise if we had the same hand except 3325 and it went 1D X p 1N p ?

There are some problems with 6-7 HCP and no good suits to bid. I used to play 1NT to show 8-10, then I realized that it's probably better to lower it to 6 - bad 10, because a lot of 6-7 HCP hands are hard to bid.

[H_KARLUK]

Go easy on the old man please, Turkish s not his native language.

No problem, i do not want him to discourage about Turkish Language especially after he kindly asked me not to ridicule him in public when we were JEC kibbers after he made an unlucky comment while seeing 52 cards. Do i tell th truth Phil? Honestly yes or no? B) Tho he said quit to post on BBF seems changed his minds and still believe here has different rulz. Wow, funny!

 

But that would be unfair not to tell what the real issue was. Can you imagine somebody as 3rd party one doesn't understand your language but auto tells "good idea" in a foreign language.

 

I have no more words about that funny situation, shrug!

 

Edit : Omg, just i read 3rd party's post. Seems he thinks he as a Rumenian one knows Turkish language better than me (I am a Turkish Man, 55 y.o.) when I say very poor grammar (Turkish poster owner "Phil" not also a Turkish citizen), tries to show Google translator (ROFL) like a very firm evidence and trusts Phil's post in Turkish language. What an understanding!! Cheez n crackers. Don't mess up anymorra! Enough!!

[MFA]

X.

2♦ is a very bad bid in my opinion.

[gwnn]

Seems he thinks he as a Rumenian one knows Turkish language better than me (I am a Turkish Man, 55 y.o.) when I say very poor grammar (Turkish poster owner "Phil" not also a Turkish citizen), tries to show Google translator (ROFL) like a very firm evidence and trusts Phil's post in Turkish language. What an understanding!! Cheez n crackers. Don't mess up anymorra! Enough!!

what? Where did I ever say that? Also what do you mean by "show Google translator (ROFL) like a very firm evidence"? This is the main problem with your posts, I can't understand them, and I don't think I am alone in this. You use English words but they are arranged in a peculiar order and the sentences you write do not compose a coherent text.

 

Anyway, my point was that Phil+google translate is better Turkish than H_KARLUK English.

[H_KARLUK]

Seems he thinks he as a Rumenian one knows Turkish language better than me (I am a Turkish Man, 55 y.o.) when I say very poor grammar (Turkish poster owner "Phil" not also a Turkish citizen), tries to show Google translator (ROFL) like a very firm evidence and trusts Phil's post in Turkish language. What an understanding!! Cheez n crackers. Don't mess up anymorra! Enough!!

what? Where did I ever say that?

Forget about it. I was not alone to pick 2D. Even I may be alone, no big deal. You decided to pick and tried to attack me in a pattern. But that won't make you or anyone "th big".

 

You seem everytime bid and did everything correct in your life. Tho i dissent bcause when you invited me to play a tournament i remember after th game you said "sorry partner for my some bad plays" , honestly, right? B)

 

Feel free to be proud of with yourself, what a character.

[gwnn]

I am not proud of myself. I do not think I am wonderful, that my opinions when it comes to bridge are good or even OK. I am the worst bridge player in the universe. What does it matter who I am, how old I am, who my mother is, how many girlfriends I have had? Why do you need to talk about these stuff? It is not that I find this offensive or disturbing. I just find it boring and tiresome to try to read your posts sometimes when I ask you one simple question, 4 English words, then I get this long long reply, maybe 10% about bridge, 50% indecipherable, and 40% about Romania, Turkey, poets, religion, my family, my age, most of the time these three parts are of course mixed together, I see a bid, then 3 words in English that I don't see how they belong in this context, then some philosophy, then some weird typo, then some more bridge, .... It really is difficult to read you know?

 

I just asked you a simple question, then you started writing posts I did not really understand but you started talking about me me me me and how young and impertinent and proud I was. I was just asking you about the 2D bid, you started talking about countries and children and personal character. I don't see what all this means.

[Jlall]

How is this guy not banned, or at the very least his posts in this thread deleted? He just completely hijacked this thread with nonsense. What a joke, if there were ever any time for moderation...

 

All,

 

Flytoox is a very old forum member. I used to always like reading his posts. It's a shame that when he comes back, this is what happens to his thread. I apologize for my part in instigating some of this, but out of respect for flytoox can we just ignore the trolls?

 

Flytoox,

 

It is funny because this is one of my "pet peeves" when people overcall rather than double with this shape. I'd go so far as to say almost all experts double, and most non-experts overcall.

 

Doubling is much more flexible with this hand, and does not risk getting to a silly fit ever. It not only increases your chance of getting to a good fit (or NT), it increases your safety level (imagine how bad p p X p p p would be in 2D). Yes, sometimes you will get to 2H in a 4-3 fit, but that's not the end of the world. It's funny that people fear that so much but don't fear 5-1 diamond fits.

 

If partner has the values for game it probably won't matter much which choice you choose.