bd71 Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sa76hajt42dqct972]133|100|Scoring: MP2N-3D3H-? 2N=20-22No tools agreed besides Jacoby/Texas transfers[/hv] Please suggest your immediate bid, and also how to follow-up based on likely responses from partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 4♣ natural slam invite or better. will not stop below 6x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Yes 4♣. The alternatives are 4NT or 5NT giving partner a choice between slam/game in the first case and hearts/notrump in both cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 will not stop below 6x I guess it's right on the line.... Thank God for the ♥10!! I'll let partner out in 5 though if need be. Hey... sometimes he upgrades 19s on a 5-card diamond suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 thats his fault, hee hee hee he's gonna declare it and i'm gonna lol at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 4n seems like enough to me, and I'm not really dying to emphasize clubs with the scattered values. Can still get to them if partner bids them over 4n. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted May 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 4nt quant. over 3h. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now? Find a new partner who will cue bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now? 4♠. Then let partner take control after that, you've now shown your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now? Find a new partner who will cue bid. Actually, I think it's right for partner to bid hearts to confirm hearts, and for him to cue-bid to agree clubs. You know generally what partner's hand is, it's his job to set the strain, however, and let you move from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now? Find a new partner who will cue bid. Actually, I think it's right for partner to bid hearts to confirm hearts, and for him to cue-bid to agree clubs. You know generally what partner's hand is, it's his job to set the strain, however, and let you move from there. Yes youre right, I misread the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 8, 2010 Report Share Posted May 8, 2010 So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now? 4n and bidding 6h when we are not off 2 keycards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 If you're not stopping below 6 level, you might as well bid 5NT and see if partner introduces ♣. I'd just start with 4♣ and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 I'd just start with 4♣ and see what happens. And you may well get what you deserve opposite KQx, KQ, AKJx, Kxxx where 6H/6N are cold, but 6C has no play. Don't bid bad suits on good hands. Bid 4N, if partner has 5 clubs and an accept, he will bid 6C himself. You only lose opposite say KQx, Kx, Kxxx, AKQx where 6C is much better than the other slams. I'm not sure I'd have started with 3D, as if partner has 5 spades I'm very happy to play in them so I'd have started with 3C (and basically would then show 5 hearts, 3 spades and a slam invite if partner does not have 5 spades). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 I'd just start with 4♣ and see what happens. And you may well get what you deserve opposite KQx, KQ, AKJx, Kxxx where 6H/6N are cold, but 6C has no play. Don't bid bad suits on good hands.~snip~ You created pretty much the only hand where we'll be screwed completely. There are way more hands where slam has some play. And just because we support ♣ doesn't mean we can't play NT anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted May 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now? 4n and bidding 6h when we are not off 2 keycardsThis is how I proceeded. Partner had two keycards and the queen, so 6H it is... ...and RHO then leads A and K of clubs. Down one. I was hoping some expert help through this thread might suggest whether there is a good a way to avoid this. I guess the 4S bid is the one going idea...is that a uncontrovertibly a cue-bid, thus allowing partner to cue-bid diamonds and we diagnose our club weakness? Or could it be something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 If you play your super accepts differently, you can avoid this. With my partner, I play that step 1 (not NT) shows exactly 3 card support, higher steps are 4-5 card support and cuebid. So:2NT-3♦3♠-3NT (3♠ shows 3♥ ; 3NT shows a ♠ cue)4♦-4♥ (4♦ denies a ♣ cue ; 4♥ ends the auction)pass It's wrongsided and we showed opps what to lead, but at least we stayed out of slam. :) Disadvantage is that we can't find a 4-4 fit anymore once a Major fit has been established. Another popular method is to accept the transfer with 3+ cards. In that case you have more space to cuebid and have a frivolous 3NT at your disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 forcing to slam is super lol...we have 31-32 points including our stiff Q, how is that a slam force if we don't have a good fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted May 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 forcing to slam is super lol...we have 31-32 points including our stiff Q, how is that a slam force if we don't have a good fit?But once partner has confirmed hearts after 2N-3D-3H-4C-4H, would you proceed and if so how do you identify the missing AK of clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 3NT. If p showes 3 card support by bidding 4H, I will bid 4NT, RKCB. You have a limited set of agreements, accept the fact and the consequences. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 So I did bid 4C...and he says 4H. What now? 4n and bidding 6h when we are not off 2 keycardsThis is how I proceeded. Partner had two keycards and the queen, so 6H it is... ...and RHO then leads A and K of clubs. Down one. I was hoping some expert help through this thread might suggest whether there is a good a way to avoid this. I guess the 4S bid is the one going idea...is that a uncontrovertibly a cue-bid, thus allowing partner to cue-bid diamonds and we diagnose our club weakness? Or could it be something else? Simple answer - the way you bid is not a good way to bid this.The 4H response from p, was just a mere preference, he may or may not have 3 card support, you dont know. You have a nice hand, but I doubt the heart suit is good enoughto make playing in a 5-2 fit desireable.If you know he has a fit for you, RKCB followed by bidding 6H, if p showesup with 2KC + the queen of trumps, is ok. The alternative to 4NT is 4S, which would be a cue.Not bidding 4NT would imply, that you have a problem, usually this indicates a void, but a suit wide open is another reason.Given the fact, that we have 31-33HCP in the combined hand, I would not worryto much about missing AK in a suit.Even if this is the case, there is a good chance that you survive. A 3rd alternative is 5H, which would be a quatitative invite, asking p to bid6H in case he likes his hand, this would most likely have avoided the problemon the table, but well ..., dont ask me, what to do, if I know the result. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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