Should be easy?

[kenrexford]

A sequence came up that seemed odd and unexpected, perhaps because of what I was looking at. I mean, I could not have the hand I had for the sequence to make sense. One of those hands.

 

Anyway, just to make sure that I am not completely insane...

 

Suppose you open 2♣ strong, and partner bids 2♦ as a GF waiting bid (at least two Queens or a King). You now bid 2♠, and partner bids 3NT.

 

What is 3NT?

[MarkDean]

I think pd has Tx KJ9 QT9x QT8x

[Free]

2=3=4=4 with 2 Queens.

 

With more strength or better shape, he'd bid 2NT.

 

Same, if he bids 4♠ he'll have 2 Queens and nothing else of value.

[CSGibson]

No controls, no 5 card suit, no spade support, but slow stops in every other suit is my opinion.

 

somethink like x JT98 QT8x QJ9X, imo.

[mikeh]

Since there can never be a reason to bid 3N as natural, when opener is unlimited and may have a second suit, it is clearly ( :blink: ) an artificial raise of spades. Hmmm, the most space-consuming raise would be a splinter in hearts. So that's it. 3N shows short hearts, good spades, and some interest in slam.

 

Wasn't that easy? <_<

 

In reality, it means whatever you have agreed it to mean, but in my partnerships, it never happens....which takes me back to where I came in.....

[aguahombre]

No controls, no 5 card suit, no spade support, but slow stops in every other suit is my opinion.

 

somethink like x JT98 QT8x QJ9X, imo.

yep. Important, IMO, not to jump around with even one king. Also not to bid 2NT in response to 2C with a king, if you use that response at all in a natural sense.

[hrothgar]

Agree with MikeH. The bid can't be natural...

 

After

 

2♣ - 2♦

2♠

 

The set of bids (4♣ < -- > 4♥ can be used as a fit jump or an anti splinter or whatever you want

 

A 3NT bid shows a splinter in an unknown suit

 

Opener can relay with 4♣ and then

 

4♦ = Heart splinter

4♥ = Diamond splinter

4♠ = club splinter

[kenrexford]

In retrospect, I think I was in fact somewhat insane. But, I suppose I never even considered what this bid should mean without discussion.

 

I mean, the "fast arrival" idea (2344 with two queens) makes sense, IMO, as a "picture bid."

 

I can imagine that an artificial meaning also makes sense, if discussed.

 

My thought (maybe insane) was that this unusual jump in notrump seemed like a "mini quantitative" call. Descriptive (probably 2344), but a tweener hand, meaning the hand with which a 2NT call, followed by any call from partner, would cause a problem of whether to invite slam or not. So, you just hit 3NT like you would hit 4NT otherwise. Sort of what MarkDean proposed.

[junyi_zhu]

A sequence came up that seemed odd and unexpected, perhaps because of what I was looking at. I mean, I could not have the hand I had for the sequence to make sense. One of those hands.

 

Anyway, just to make sure that I am not completely insane...

 

Suppose you open 2♣ strong, and partner bids 2♦ as a GF waiting bid (at least two Queens or a King). You now bid 2♠, and partner bids 3NT.

 

What is 3NT?

you can certainly play it as a splinter with a void somewhere. No point to bid a natural 3NT which take up a lot of space.

[dredog03]

I agree with ken and mark dean. Even without discussion, I to think jumps in NT do show extra values, even when you're in a game-force, so this 3NT would be quantitative-ish 8-10 or so hcp and approximately 2-3-4-4 shape. With the minimums and 11+ hands, you would start with 2NT.

[MFA]

If I were to propose a conventional meaning, I think I would prefer to have 3NT as a bad positive raise of spades, while 3♠ would then be a better raise.

[helene_t]

My first thought was a heart splinter but then I thought of something Schollie wrote in IMP: Over 3♠, opener's rebid is natural, as we would have a better fit in another suit, and even if spades is fixed as trump suit it is important to show shape. So may 3NT should be a 4-card raise.

 

MFA's idea is maybe best.

 

But without discussion I think it is natural. Not sure how strong it is, though. Tend to agree with MarkDean.

[dake50]

Disagree min bal. Just 2N, then 3N. No incitement.

Agree bal middling expecting problem rebid. Jump 3NT incites just a little compared to bidding out shape to see where partner has 'stuff'.

Then 4NT has 'likable' values after shaping out.

[jeremy61]

I think that any unusual bid must be fit-showing

In my partnership I play

 

3♠ = Good raise. At least one lateral control (Ace or King) and one distributional control (singleton or chicane)

3NT = Fit. At least one lateral control (Ace or King) and NO singleton or chicane

4♣♦♥ = Splinter. No Ace or King lateral

 

Over 3♠ or 3NT cue-bid can follow with some artificially to ask for singleton after 3♠