aguahombre Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sqjxhkq9xxxdxckxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] 1S (2NT) ? You are South. 3C would be GF with hearts.3D would be L.R. + for spades.3H would be competitive with hearts3S would be mere comp with 4 SpadesFollow-up question, later. Pls accept the conditions of the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 Hearts are tempting but I need to support partner, 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 3C, showing hearts is really important in a spot like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 3C, showing hearts is really important in a spot like this. Agree with Roger Lee. I can show my spade support later. What about this: 4C - minor splinter (4D asks); 4D - fit jump in hearts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 What about this: 4C - minor splinter (4D asks); 4D - fit jump in hearts? Not sure what that means, but I don't think it is accepting the conditions, and not sure 4D--the second one-- would be accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 What about this: 4C - minor splinter (4D asks); 4D - fit jump in hearts? Not sure what that means, but I don't think it is accepting the conditions. Since I just made it up I kind of figured it wouldn't LOL. Sorry for the potential threadjack. Thought 'agree with Roger' implied I am showing my hearts via 3C. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 3C, showing hearts is really important in a spot like this. Agree with Roger Lee. I can show my spade support later. What about this: 4C - minor splinter (4D asks); 4D - fit jump in hearts? I think most would take both 4♣ and 4♦ as splinters agreeing spades without discussion. Anyway, I would show my hearts first with 3♣ and spades later. I'm not sure I understand the system. You have competitive and you have GF. Why wouldn't you play 3♣ as LR+ rather than GF? With the GF, you can always bid on over a signoff or double if the opponents compete to show extra values. That's how you have your 3♦ structured. I understand that new suit at the 3-level is often played as GF. However, when it's a 2-under bid, it seems to make a lot more sense to play it as LR+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Why wouldn't you play 3♣ as LR+ rather than GF? The two main reasons to play 3C is GF are: 1) It is very likely when your partner opened 1M, and you have the other major, your LHO is about to bid a lot. If you play 3C is GF you have a forcing pass available. If you play 3C is LR+ then you can either choose to be in a less comfortable FP situation or not have a FP available.2) You can just play 3H is constructive, and try to pass and come back in with a less than constructive hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Why wouldn't you play 3♣ as LR+ rather than GF? The two main reasons to play 3C is GF are: 1) It is very likely when your partner opened 1M, and you have the other major, your LHO is about to bid a lot. If you play 3C is GF you have a forcing pass available. If you play 3C is LR+ then you can either choose to be in a less comfortable FP situation or not have a FP available.2) You can just play 3H is constructive, and try to pass and come back in with a less than constructive hand. My point was that they seemed to have a broken range. 3♣ = GF with hearts3♥ = competitive with hearts What do I do with an invitational hand* with hearts?*Edited - To change "LR" to "invitational hand", since we are not raising partner's suit Obviously if they mean competitive = LR, then it's a slightly different problem. I would GF on this particular hand, but you get my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 3C. I am not going to by pass showing this 6 card H suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Hearts are tempting but I need to support partner, 3♦Outvoted, so far...but not necessarily wrong. Let's follow up on the 3C bidders' choice: 1S (2NT) 3C*GF with hearts (5D)X (P) ? Agreed we have established a FP situation.What is expected from the double?What do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Easy pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 I'd show hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 I had shown spades.I want to establish a fit in a competetive auction as low as possible. And you need not to be a magican to see that your next bid will be at least at the 5. level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 100% 3C GF with H, we are going to play 4H or 4S, would you not bid 2H over 1S had RHO passed, open the bidding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 4♥ showing S+H . Obviously the hand is not pure (I'd rather have 4S) but this is probably the last opportunity to describe my hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 This is indeed the last opportunity to describe your hand so why waste it on an undiscussed and confusing bid? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=sqjxhkq9xxxdxckxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] 1S (2NT) ? You are South. 3C would be GF with hearts.3D would be L.R. + for spades.3H would be competitive with hearts3S would be mere comp with 4 SpadesFollow-up question, later. Pls accept the conditions of the question. 3♦ only because I have no immediate ♠GF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted May 7, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Ok, I will make a better attempt to pose the follow-up. Suppose you were forced to either GF with hearts or to L.R. + in spades. 1S-(2nt)-CHOICE-(5D)X (P) ? A) If you chose GF with hearts, what would you expect opener's double of 5D to show in this FP situation ---and what would you do?B) If you chose L.R. + for spades, what would you expect opener's double of 5D to show --and what would you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 if I pick to show hearts (I would) double now is lack of fit, probably singleton heart and I'd pass. if I pick LR in spades, double is wasted values in the minors and/or bad spades, so I pass again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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