They jump to 4S against our strong club

[bluecalm]

Conservative, sane opponents. Both sides vulerable.

 

[hv=d=n&v=b&s=shkt42dq8632cj532]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

1♣ - 4♠ - it's our turn;

 

dbl now is basically points

4NT would be 2 suiter (ok ?)

 

If that's clear one way or the other (it's not clear at all to me) how would you need to change the hand to make it close ?

I will post my action later. I am not happy with it.

[Jlall]

Double. This is analagous to 4S-X. Double is takeout oriented but you might have to double on a wide range of shapes. I would expect partner to pass with a balanced hand, bid with extreme shape, and use his jdugement on hands in between that (sometimes bidding sometimes passing).

 

I certainly wish this was pure takeout but I would always X with Ax Kxxx Qxx Jxxx because I have no alternative.

 

In general they have put a lot of pressure on you. One of you has shown some points, the other one has shown nothing, and neither of you has shown a suit. You're not going to come close to having great accuracy here. Most of the time when you have enough values you're going to double them and take a plus rather than venturing into the unknown at the 5 level.

 

That being said you're also unlikely to have a lot of spade values/trump tricks, so you gain by both sides being able to bid over a double, and lose little. I mean if you have QJ9x xx xxxx xxx you don't get to double, but you so rarely have that, and when you do partner often reopens X anyways.

[aguahombre]

Was it a deterministic 4S?

[bluecalm]

Was it a deterministic 4S?

 

I don't get it :P

Opponents were older pair. They have good hand for sure for that bid, nothing crazy.

[aguahombre]

was a bad joke, aimed at someone else

[Free]

Dbl, it shows points, I have points, so I show what I have.

[the hog]

Dbl, it shows points, I have points, so I show what I have.

Dbl, it shows takeout shape, I have takeout shape, so I show what I have.

[hanp]

I thought everbody had gone 426 828 329 041 until I saw the forum and the title. After a strong pass I agree with double.

[gwnn]

are those unicode characters? I give up.

[kfay]

It's Han's phone number. Call him!

[dake50]

Looks a systemic gotcha!

Was 1C strong? Nope. What assurance/foundation for action?

Is offensive 3-suiter allowed for? Nope. What lie to use?

Does X suggest DT? Nope. Cards, but no clear act? Offensive hand?

Can I leave this to partner to reopen when he has 'stuff'?

For takeout? Suggesting DT?

 

I pass this. Save other calls for real values.

[hanp]

426 828 329 041 = 653321 squared, obviously.

[Free]

Looks a systemic gotcha! 

Was 1C strong?  Nope. ~snip~

Yes it was, look at the topic title...

 

+ LOL @ 653321² :P

[655321]

429 445 613 041

[gwnn]

hanp!!

[hanp]

Ah wrong number, no wonder csaba didn't get it.

[PrecisionL]

PASS: I have the distribution but not the strength to encourage partner to bid.

[bluecalm]

I passed. I think it's not a good decision. If partner has 5card suit I am happy to play there. If I pass he may even pass with 6carder which would be a disaster.

I guess they sometimes make but not too often and I certainly have enough in playing strength to not disappoint.

 

Thanks all for answers :)