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2; for me 2 is usually (but not always) five, but a direct raise shows four-card support in any case. If partner bids 2NT next then I'll try 3 which should describe my degree of fit nicely.
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I guess this depends on agreements. In my agreements, 2 delivered a 5 card suit.

Oh, we didn't have much in the way of sophistication. For example, with:

 

xx AQxx AKJx xxx

 

we would respond 2 to 1. I don't know what you would do, but it seems to me that you must have to perform some contortions if 2 "delivered a 5 card suit".

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<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> South </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> Both </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> AKJ53 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> J </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> Q96 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> AJ43 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

You, South, open 1 and partner bids 2, game-forcing. What call do you make?

LOL

 

 

I just watched this movie the other night..... a truly great movie........I think 1951...so

 

 

I can tell you 3d (not extras) :)

 

yes 2d can be 4 but if you saw the movie you will think this version very unlikely....:)

 

 

 

 

 

=================

 

 

 

pard will assume we have 11-13 with 3 or 4d.......

 

 

our problems are only starting.....:(

 

dreaded inbetween hand.....tough...

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I understand 3D and I understand 3C, planning to bid diamonds next. I don't understand 2S.

Not sure I understand it either - certainly didn't consider bidding it. A question that became relevant in the later going was this: suppose you have

 

AKJxx x Qx QJ10xx

 

After 1-2, should you bid 2 or 3?

 

Addendum: let me rephrase that, since I cannot bear the smartass answer "yes, you should bid 2 or 3." Which of 2 and 3 should you bid?

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I would bid 3.  If partner bids anything but 3NT, I will bid 4 and think I am well placed.  If partner bids 3NT...well, let's hope partner does not do that to me.

Very well. Partner bids 3, and you bid a "well-placed" 4. This was the sequence actually followed at the table, but I was not feeling quite as smug about it as I might have done. For example, might I not bid the same way with:

 

AKxxx xx Qx AKxx?

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I would bid 3.  If partner bids anything but 3NT, I will bid 4 and think I am well placed.  If partner bids 3NT...well, let's hope partner does not do that to me.

Very well. Partner bids 3, and you bid a "well-placed" 4. This was the sequence actually followed at the table, but I was not feeling quite as smug about it as I might have done. For example, might I not bid the same way with:

 

AKxxx xx Qx AKxx?

I would tend to bid 3 with that hand, but it is true, you will not always have as pure of a hand for 4. However, I do not see that as a reason not to bid it when I do have the hand in the OP.

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I would bid 3.  If partner bids anything but 3NT, I will bid 4 and think I am well placed.  If partner bids 3NT...well, let's hope partner does not do that to me.

Very well. Partner bids 3, and you bid a "well-placed" 4. This was the sequence actually followed at the table, but I was not feeling quite as smug about it as I might have done. For example, might I not bid the same way with:

 

AKxxx xx Qx AKxx?

I would tend to bid 3 with that hand, but it is true, you will not always have as pure of a hand for 4. However, I do not see that as a reason not to bid it when I do have the hand in the OP.

3NT on that sequence.

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Oh, we didn't have much in the way of sophistication. For example, with:

 

♠xx ♥AQxx ♦AKJx ♣xxx

 

we would respond 2♦ to 1♠. I don't know what you would do, but it seems to me that you must have to perform some contortions if 2♦ "delivered a 5 card suit".

 

2 for me (because it contains balanced gf hand by agreement). Actually I consider 2 just a bad bid/system design.

You will have a chance to play in if partner have 4 of them anyway and there is no reason to design system in such a way that you tell opponents what you have without much benefits for your side.

 

In hand in question I bid 3 which I hope promises extras. If it doesn't promise extras I guess I will go with 3.

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Oh, we didn't have much in the way of sophistication. For example, with:

 

♠xx ♥AQxx ♦AKJx ♣xxx

 

we would respond 2♦ to 1♠. I don't know what you would do, but it seems to me that you must have to perform some contortions if 2♦ "delivered a 5 card suit".

 

2 for me (because it contains balanced gf hand by agreement). Actually I consider 2 just a bad bid/system design.

You will have a chance to play in if partner have 4 of them anyway and there is no reason to design system in such a way that you tell opponents what you have without much benefits for your side.

2c?

 

 

 

no wonder forums confuse me..

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3C. Hand is strong enough for this. In my methods which do not include artificial 2C or other gadgets (assumedly OP would have said if they had such methods, so they don't either), 2D does not promise five card suit so raising diamonds with only 3-card support is premature.
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AKJxx  Qx  QJ10xx

 

After 1-2, should you bid 2 or 3?

 

Addendum: let me rephrase that, since I cannot bear the smartass answer "yes, you should bid 2 or 3." Which of 2 and 3 should you bid?

I bid 2S, which is the default minimum in my methods when one unbid suit is not stopped. New suit on the three level shows a better hand than this. Even if default minimum was agreed as 2NT, I would still bid 2S for lack of better bid - 2NT would be misleading on shape and 3C misleading on general strength.

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Playing 2/1M shows GF Balanced or Clubs (so that 2 shows 5+) I bid 3.

 

Playing a version of 2/1 where 2 shows 4+ and a 2M rebid is catch-all, I bid 2.

 

Playing a version of 2/1 where 2 shows 4+ and a 2M rebid shows 6+, I bid 3.

 

There are so many different flavors of 2/1, I think it's difficult to answer the question without being more constrained by your particular system.

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3 looked obvious as long as you have no agreement that 2 from partner had been artifical and 2 shows 5.

I raise partners diamonds later.

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