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[bd71]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=shaq862dkjt87653c]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(P)-3♣-(3♠)-?

 

No agreements other than "sayc"[/hv]

[Free]

5♦ I guess

[pooltuna]

5♦ I guess

yep might as well make them play 5♠ or you 5♦

[Bbradley62]

Agreed.

[dcohio]

Isn't a better question "can you pass?"

 

Of course I'm bidding here. 5♦ for me.

[ArtK78]

Isn't this another example of the answer to the old question: "What do you call and 8 card suit?" "TRUMP!"

 

5♦.

[mikeh]

Red v white, 2nd seat, partner will have a good preempt. Given our club void and good red holdings, the opps have some club losers. Also, given our void, we almost certainly have a lot of red losers unless we buy an honour in dummy.

 

So I think that bidding 5♦ is not a good idea at this heat. It works only against inveterate savers....if LHO is one of those weak players who thinks that any 4 or 5 card support for partner requires him to save, on his 5323 8 count, for instance, then...go for it.

 

My suspicion is that double dummy bidding 5♦ at any vulnerability will be a loser in the long run, but I'd do it white v red, and maybe at equal.

 

Admittedly, there will be layouts on which we catch a great dummy.....xxx x Qx AKxxxx for instance...even on a trump lead, we may make. Can we suggest a red/white 'save' by bidding 4♦? I think so, and that is my choice. The main downside is that partner thinks we are cooperating in clubs and overcompetes...but he shouldn't bid 5♣ over 4♠ without diamond tolerance so we'd not mind that. What I want to avoid is playing 5♦ opposite a stiff or void, and it seems to me that he will have 0 or 1 diamond more times than not.

[jdonn]

Yes I love 4♦. If it goes 4♠ P P (or P 4♥ anything!) then aren't you glad you didn't bid 5♦? This is quite a lot of losers for a shape like this, we are r/w, and partner preempted in our void. Even 4♦ is not remotely safe (not that you shouldn't do it). 5♦ just looks like suicide to me.

[Phil]

Had to check my sanity after reading the 1st several responses.

 

If you think about the hand types pard probably has, 5♦ is just nuts. I'm a 4♦ bidder but I'm way closer to pass than 5♦ but that seems cowardly with an 8-5. I know I'll regret this if pard runs back to 5♣.

[pooltuna]

Yes I love 4♦. If it goes 4♠ P P (or P 4♥ anything!) then aren't you glad you didn't bid 5♦? This is quite a lot of losers for a shape like this, we are r/w, and partner preempted in our void. Even 4♦ is not remotely safe (not that you shouldn't do it). 5♦ just looks like suicide to me.

I didn't look closely at conditions yes much harder to bid 5♦ at R/W

[aguahombre]

Yes I love 4♦. If it goes 4♠ P P (or P 4♥ anything!) then aren't you glad you didn't bid 5♦?

Glad, yes. And taking one of those possibilities, what does 4H by partner mean?

 

3C (3S) 4D (P)

4H......Is that nice surprise diamond support with a stiff heart? I know the OP says no special agreements, but what should it mean undiscussed with an expert partner?

 

Is partner expected to pass 4D almost all of the time? Should she raise to 5D with everyhand which has 3-card support?