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  1. 1. ATB

    • East 100%
      2
    • West 100%
      26
    • East 70%
      2
    • West 70%
      13
    • 50/50
      8


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West.

 

A simple hard fast rule - if you decide to play 5 of a minor, check if you

can play 6 of a minor, you just need one add. trick.

How to proceed, is a matter of methods, but a natural forward going 4C bid,

followed by a 4S cue, over a 4D cue, would have done the trick.

 

Similar minorwood.

 

The way West did bid, West could have only 1 or 2KC, replace the Ace of

spades with the king of spades and ...

 

With kind regard

Marlowe

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[hv=d=e&v=n&w=sajht8dt8xcakqj94&e=sqhak9xxdakxct865]266|100|Scoring: MP

Silent opps:

 

-  1

2*  3

5  AP[/hv]

 

* = Game force

I realize most here think RKC is for rank amateurs, but East has NO 2 quick losers in the side suits

and primarily needs to know about the Cl quality.

 

--    - 1H

2C! - 4C! = classic Minorwood bid

4D ( 0 or 3 ) - 4H ( next step = cQ-ask )

4NT ( cQ but no outside K's OR hQ* ) - 6C

____________________________________

* Finding hQ would make 7C a near laydown.

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Everyone so far seems to find it 100% obvious that the space between 3and 5 should not randomly be burned up with a hand as good as West has. I agree. But, what is a jump to 5?

 

With Opener unlimited, it seems that a jump to 5 should mean something. It should be a picture bid. But, what kind?

 

Before trashing West, maybe describe the hand that 5 shows and indicate why West has the wrong hand for a 5 call.

 

5 may still be the wrong call, but simply noting the ability to ask questions before bidding 5 doesn't help much, especially if 5 were, for example, to show a hand with no shortness, no heart fit, solid clubs, s six-loser hand, and one side Ace.

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The 5 bid was REALLY bad. This is matchpoints. Even if you are not going to investigate a possible slam at least you could try for 3NT (which will beat anyone else that winds up in 5).

 

Having said that, East should make a splinter in spades. That will accomplish several things:

 

(1) It will show a willingness to investigate slam.

(2) It will facilitate a slam investigation.

(3) It will pinpoint either a weakness for a notrump contract or a duplication of values which will show that slam is unlikely and notrump is a good spot.

 

My initial inclination was to give 100% of the blame to West, as the 5 bid was so bad. But East was in there with his failure to splinter. Since West could have overcome the failure to splinter, I still have to give him the majority of the blame.

 

75% to West, 25% to East.

 

[For purposes of the poll, I voted 70% to West, as that was the closest choice available]

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If 2C was a Natural bid --not always the case with many posters --

 

then, West perhap should not have had the chance to make his/her extremely questionable 5C bid. But really, 3C was not that horrible with other partners. It set trumps. and allowed West to make a reasonable --maybe helpful -- rebid. Maybe West was going to show heart support next, which would be nice to know, because it creates a possible heart loser in a club slam.

 

A splinter rebid by opener with this hand doesn't seem useful. It gets in responder's way. (Maybe you should get in this partner's way :) )

 

So:

1H-2C

3C-3S

4C--minorwood by the hand which knows there are no heart losers, and has controls in the side suits. If you don't like minorwood, then Kickback --who cares?

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Just to make this constructive, do people think 5 shouldn't even exist or what should it mean?

at MPs it is hard to construct a hand that would bypass 3NT so blithely. So perhaps it is this hand and West is expected to raise to 6 with any excuse. Actually surprised that West did not as 5 rates to score so poorly.

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Actually thinking about it I think it should be 1227 (plus a card outside clubs) with solid clubs and nothing else. 3NT probably won't be right after partner raised clubs, there will be a problem in at least one red suit.
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Just to make this constructive, do people think 5 shouldn't even exist or what should it mean?

The bid should not even exist, unless you have attached a very

precise meaning to the bid. (*)

The reason being, East is still unlimited, so West should give East

the chance to make a move toward slam, without commiting the

partnership to slam.

 

(*) And if you do this, the bid will extreme rare.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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