What bid is best?

[bid_em_up]

[hv=d=w&v=e&s=s952hakdk542cj983]133|100|Scoring: IMP

opps silent.

 

1S-1N

3C-?[/hv]

 

what's your choice and why please?

[rogerclee]

This is a good example of why it's bad to play 4S shows a 3 card limit raise and 3S denies a 3 card limit raise. Bidding 4S with this hand is just so silly.

 

Anyway now I'm going to bid 3S (which I play can contain a 3 card limit raise).

[Phil]

3S. Not a problem.

[jdonn]

Sure 3♠. Short of partner bidding keycard we can always offer clubs later.

[CSGibson]

3♠, we're forced to game with 3♣, so this is stronger than 4♠. Leaves room for cue-bidding.

[jjbrr]

unanimous. if 3♠ doesnt show this hand, i suggest reconsidering agreements.

[georgeac]

i clicked other on accident cuse i looked at our hand wrong. i agree with 3s

[whereagles]

This is a good example of why it's bad to play 4S shows a 3 card limit raise and 3S denies a 3 card limit raise. Bidding 4S with this hand is just so silly.

Put a spade into the hearts and it becomes a good example of why it sucks to jump-shift into a 3 card suit.

[ONEferBRID]

Call me silly, then.

3S = weakest reply, and as little as 2 card ♠, no interest in ♣

4S = 3 card limit raise

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Here is a new one that I just thought of

4C! = 3 cards ♠ AND 4+ cards ♣....

[ Edit: I have alternate bids ( not shown) to show ♣ acceptance only ]

 

... but I need to see how this may fit into my SJS reply scheme for these

1M - 1NTF, 3m auctions.

[aguahombre]

This is a good example of why it's bad to play 4S shows a 3 card limit raise and 3S denies a 3 card limit raise. Bidding 4S with this hand is just so silly.

 

Anyway now I'm going to bid 3S (which I play can contain a 3 card limit raise).

All true. A jump to 4S is really wasteful.

 

But since 3S does not necessarily guarantee a 3-card limit raise, I don't think we can show 4-card club support, later. If there is follow-up action, my concentration of red suit controls and lack of black suit honors will be the focus --and will confirm the spade fit.

[jdonn]

This is a good example of why it's bad to play 4S shows a 3 card limit raise and 3S denies a 3 card limit raise. Bidding 4S with this hand is just so silly.

Put a spade into the hearts and it becomes a good example of why it sucks to jump-shift into a 3 card suit.

Could you elaborate on how a jump shift into a 3 card suit would work badly if we were 2344 here?

[Hanoi5]

I guess partner can't pass 3♠. Then that's the bid. I was thinking about 5♠ though...

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

3S, we play (which seems to be general consensus), that 3S showes the

limit raise.

 

I thought that this agreement was non standard, and voted 4C, afterall

we also have a club fit, but of course 4C tells p, that we have 10-12 bal.

hand (or a max. standard 1NT response with good club supp.).

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[gwnn]

Wow Uwe you sure are dealt 10-12 often when partner jump shifts..

[Codo]

Playing here where 3 club promises 4 clubs (we have semiforcing opening around), I could bid 4 club.

But why should the 4-4 fit be better here then the 5-3 fit in the major?

So a strong 3 ♠ is my choice too.

[Free]

unanimous. ~snip~

LOL

[gwnn]

unanimous. if 3♠ doesnt show this hand, i suggest reconsidering agreements.

I know you didnt mean it but 3♠ of course doesn't show this hand. But 3♠ should include this hand as a possibility. Just want to clarify this point since apparently Uwe and Codo think 3♠ is inherently a strong bid.

[whereagles]

Could you elaborate on how a jump shift into a 3 card suit would work badly if we were 2344 here?

You can't bid 4♣. Thus you might miss a good slam.

[gwnn]

yes you can and over 4♣ opener will be able to bid 4♠ to make his 3♣ bid somewhat ambiguous.

[Codo]

I know you didnt mean it but 3♠ of course doesn't show this hand. But 3♠ should include this hand as a possibility. Just want to clarify this point since apparently Uwe and Codo think 3♠ is inherently a strong bid.

No I do not think so, I agree with you and think that 3 ♠ can include different hands, but surely it includes the LR for me.

[hanp]

if 3♠ doesnt show this hand, i suggest reconsidering agreements.

I'd bid 3S, but 3S does not show this hand.

[hotShot]

Since there is no other way (after my 1NT bid) to show my ♠ fit, I'll have to bid 3♠ now. There is not enough room to show ♠ fit, ♣ fit and stopper in the red suits.

 

I assume that 2m instead of 1NT would have shown a 5 card suit or a stronger hand.

[ONEferBRID]

[hv=d=w&v=e&s=s952hakdk542cj983]133|100|Scoring: IMP

opps silent.

 

1S-1N

3C-?[/hv]

 

what's your choice and why please?

I hope we get to see Opener's hand sometime in the near future.

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Here is a favorite quote from Februrary ( http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=37712 ) by Phantomsac ( Justin's [ Jlal's ] alter ego ) pertaining to SJS hands of this type [ Continuations after jump shift ...thread started by bftboy ]:

 

".....imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jumpshift."

[bid_em_up]

I hope we get to see Opener's hand sometime in the near future.

[hv=s=sakqxxhxdaxckq10xx]133|100|1♠-1N

3♣-4♠

all pass[/hv]

 

South thought 4♠ showed a limit raise. North thought otherwise.

[Free]

nvm, hand posted first showed AKQxx in ♠ and ♣ :D