do or dont

[olliebol]

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=s1093hkq10d9652ckj3]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

partner north opens strong club and r.h.o. follows 1spade ( promising spades and clubs), you double and l.h.o. jumps to 4 spades, partner bids 5 diamonds over that and it goes pass to you.

 

Would you bid 6 ?

[mohitz]

Partner rates to have not more than 1 spade. I am going for 6♦. I feel lucky!

[aguahombre]

Did my double show 8+?

[jjbrr]

seems like an easy pass unless we misbid already.

[quiddity]

Obviously depends on what the double showed. If it showed 5+ balanced, I think you have to raise. You have 9 and they're all working.

[Gerben42]

No Ace, so no.

[helene_t]

dbl probably shows 5+ or 4+. Was p in a forcong pass situation? If not, I bid 6.

[bluecalm]

Passsss.

 

I assume dbl was game forcing ?

If my agreements are than dbl is 6+ then well, I pass anyway and change the agreements after the hand.

[bid_em_up]

yes

[Pict]

I'd be content with the game. Many things can go wrong.

[olliebol]

Been searching but cant find meaning of double sorry. My guess is 4 or 5 plus since the player in question did bid six with this hand. Ricco van Prooyen playing with Louk Verhees against Israel for a match to determine the third pair for the E.C. in Oostende. Partner had A, xx, AKQXXX, Axxx , club queen right diamonds 2-2

 

tx for answers i would have passed this at the table.

[cherdanno]

I think this is a raise - LHO has diamonds and RHO has clubs so our finesses rate to be on.

[bluecalm]

While I think playing dbl as unlimited showing 5+ or something is weak agreement I don't think it matters much in this hand.

If partner has some shape and a lot of diamonds he will bid 5♦ with the same hands opposite 6-7dbl, gf dbl and 5+dbl.

 

If you disagree, can you give sample hand which bid 5♦ opposite GF double but pass opposite 6+ double ?

[mich-b]

IIRC the 1st round double was explained as "5-7 any, or 8+ balanced".

[whereagles]

pass, on grounds that if pard can make 6 opposite my hand, he could have bid it.

[mohitz]

pass, on grounds that if pard can make 6 opposite my hand, he could have bid it.

LOL

[ArtK78]

6♦ is clear. I am playing partner for as little as A xx AKQxxx Axxx with the Club Q right and diamonds 2-2.

 

Seriously, this is a complete guess. I would pass at the table, but not without misgivings.

 

EDIT: This is what I get for copying part of someone else's post.

I find it highly unlikely that the diamonds are 2-2 if we have a 10 card diamond fit.

[jdonn]

pass, on grounds that if pard can make 6 opposite my hand, he could have bid it.

LOL

Why is that a LOL? Out of all the comments he makes that one was about as true as any! Partner will take a chance on slam if there is no room to investigate and he has to guess and can make opposite a decent minimum response.

[kfay]

Don't, plzthx

[mohitz]

Why is that a LOL? Out of all the comments he makes that one was about as true as any! Partner will take a chance on slam if there is no room to investigate and he has to guess and can make opposite a decent minimum response.

Because we promised only a 5 count AND because our hand could be much worse even with the same values.

 

I agree bidding 6 or not is a guess for responder.

[jdonn]

Why is that a LOL? Out of all the comments he makes that one was about as true as any! Partner will take a chance on slam if there is no room to investigate and he has to guess and can make opposite a decent minimum response.

Because we promised only a 5 count AND because our hand could be much worse even with the same values.

 

I agree bidding 6 or not is a guess for responder.

Who said we promised a 5 count? And why would partner play us for the worst possible hand in a competitive auction.

[olliebol]

I asked on the non natural system section on the forums the meaning of this double and got this answer:

 

1♣ (1♠) X:

 

Is a Mild positive response, 7-8 AKQ points: AQQ, KKQ, AK which would be G.F. since 1♣ promises 17+ hcp unbalanced and 18+ hcp if balanced.