Worth a 2/1?

[bluecalm]

I don't see how you're much better off showing minors over 2♥ than you are showing clubs (6 instead of 5 partner will think if you show minors).

 

Hmm ?

 

If you have xx x AQxxx KTxxxx

 

and partner has:

 

Jxxx AKxxx xxx x

 

It's quite useful to show minors cause if you show clubs you will in 3♣ ?

Or I am missing something ?

[aguahombre]

and why did that opener not rebid 2d? oops --would not have opened at all. Assume you mean AXXX AKXXX XXX X. Automatic 2D rebid after forcing NT.

 

Edit: too many aces of hearts, also. but couldn't catch everything.

[jdonn]

I don't see how you're much better off showing minors over 2♥ than you are showing clubs (6 instead of 5 partner will think if you show minors).

 

Hmm ?

 

If you have xx x AQxxx KTxxxx

 

and partner has:

 

Jxxx AKxxx xxx x

 

It's quite useful to show minors cause if you show clubs you will in 3♣ ?

Or I am missing something ?

You are missing that I was referring to that specific hand, which supposedly was an example of the benefits of playing 2♠ shows the minors. I don't believe it is since I see no gain over not playing 2♠ shows the minors (meaning you would have to bid 3♣) on that specific hand.

 

You are also missing that your example is neither an opening bid nor a 2♥ rebid.

[bluecalm]

You are missing that I was referring to that specific hand, which supposedly was an example of the benefits of playing 2♠ shows the minors.

 

No. Someone noted that 2♠ should/might/does show the minors because other people suggested 2♠ with this hand hoping it will be understood as something else.

 

You are also missing that your example is neither an opening bid nor a 2♥ rebid.

 

Yeah, lol. This example wasn't good :) I hope the point is clear though.

[EricK]

I would force to game. There is a risk of getting to high if partner is absolutely minimum, but there is also a risk of staying too low if you simply invite and partner has a little bit more than an absolute minimum.

[655321]

I wouldn't bid 1NT with this hand unless I had previously agreed with partner that 1NT could include this sort of hand.

I'm not sure what you mean. The question is whether this particular hand is a balanced invitation, which is the "sort of hand" that everyone who plays 1NT forcing knows can be in 1NT. Personally I bid 1NT but it's close.

Yep, I was trying to say that I wouldn't treat the hand as a balanced invitation, I would treat it as a GF.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I have 10-12 bal., I bid a forcing 1NT, followed by 2NT,

if you think the hand worth a game force, bid 3NT, so the

answer to your question is no.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

OK, 2nd part of the question...

 

Bidding goes 1H-1N-2H. Now what do you bid?

Hi,

 

2NT.

 

If you are 100% sure, that 2H showes a 6 carder, which would imply,

that p would sometimes bid 2C with only 2 cards (or even with a sindle),

than go ahead and bid 3H.

 

I dont see any particular reason to upgrade the hand, after I made the

decision to sell it as a 10-12 bal. hand.

2NT has the adv. that p will know about the fit, if he happens to hold a

6 carder, and since p knowes as well, that we are a first time partnership,

there, he will also be aware, that 2H may not promis 6 cards for everyone.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[hanp]

I would force to game.

[bluecalm]

I dont see any particular reason to upgrade the hand, after I made the

decision to sell it as a 10-12 bal. hand.

 

I think it's not correct reasoning. Just because you didn't have GF opposite minimum opener with 5♥ doesn't mean you don't have GF opposite 6♥. You don't need "upgrade" or whatever. You have guaranteed 23hcp and 6-2 fit. It's automatic game in my book.

[P_Marlowe]

I dont see any particular reason to upgrade the hand, after I made the

decision to sell it as a 10-12 bal. hand.

 

I think it's not correct reasoning. Just because you didn't have GF opposite minimum opener with 5♥ doesn't mean you don't have GF opposite 6♥. You don't need "upgrade" or whatever. You have guaranteed 23hcp and 6-2 fit. It's automatic game in my book.

First of all, does 2H showes a 6 carder?

 

Please assume the given context, which was a first time partnership.

2NT promises 2hearts, i.e p will know, that we have a fit, if he has

6 hearts.

 

For that matter, the hand is not a particular good 12 count, it is not

bad either, Queens and Jacks are overvalued, Aces undervalues, we

have 2 Acs, 2 Jacks and 1 Queen, which means + and - will even itself

out. So why should I upgrade?

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

 

PS: The fact that we play MP, which plays no role for my decision, is also

something, which speaks against upgrading, at MP you dont need to be in

every game with a 30-40 success rate.

And since we are green, the same holds even true for IMP scoring.

 

And 6-2 fits are also not the best fits, one could have.

 

But in the end, it comes down to the question, what would bug you more,

+1 or -1, I fully understand, if your answer is +1.