bd71 Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sqxxhajdaxxxcjtxx]133|100|Scoring: MPPlaying 2/1 with first-time partner in typical club game.Had no discussion on opening style (i.e. how often with 12, do we use Rule of 20, etc.). 1H-(P) to you Is this worth a 2/1 bid? If no, does your answer change at IMPS?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 I would 2/1 but I admit this is about the weakest. The AJ of ♥ are fine and the JT of ♣ are ok. If I'm in the minority, I wouldnt be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Forcing 1NT for me, followed by an invite. If partner passes that I doubt we are missing much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bb79 Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 i think it is borderline, probably i won't stop below game though, and 1nt may wrong side possible 3NT, e.g. in case partner has Kx of spades (try kx kqxxx qxx kxx), so I will choose 2c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 I think at mp, I'd just bid 1N/2N. Partner might be opening an 11-count here, and we're not getting any odds by playing in game. Plus the 2/1 will tend to mislead partner about the length/strength of the minor, and perhaps cause some misevaluation (maybe partner has a club stiff). Vul at imps I'd force to game. Still tempted to bid 1N/3N instead of 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Agree with quiddity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 man up, this is a good 12, you dont win by finding all the optimal 2NT contracts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 I wouldn't bid 1NT with this hand unless I had previously agreed with partner that 1NT could include this sort of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 We have a mediocre 12 count and no fit and partner opened 1M at w/w MP. I would not force to game opposite any partner who describes his opening style as "I open almost all 5332 hands with a 5 card major and 12 points", which is basically everyone at this vul/scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 I wouldn't bid 1NT with this hand unless I had previously agreed with partner that 1NT could include this sort of hand. I'm not sure what you mean. The question is whether this particular hand is a balanced invitation, which is the "sort of hand" that everyone who plays 1NT forcing knows can be in 1NT. Personally I bid 1NT but it's close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Vul at imps I'd force to game. Still tempted to bid 1N/3N instead of 2C. If you force to game 2C is the better bid IMO. You are just giving up equity on hands where you have to find out which game to play. For example let's say partner has x KQxxx KQxx Axx; you will diagnose the problem in spades if you start with 2C. If you start with 1N, 1N/3N will do very poorly. (You can/should still get to 4H (1H-1N; 2D-2S; 3C-3H; 4H-P) but I think most B/I partnerships are not up to having this sequence.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Plus the 2/1 will tend to mislead partner about the length/strength of the minor, and perhaps cause some misevaluation (maybe partner has a club stiff). So 2D then instead of 2C, assuming partner opens reasonably soundly? In NT, I want them to lead clubs rather than diamonds too. (and with so few agreements on 2/1, surely 2D only promises 4 with 3343 for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted April 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 OK, 2nd part of the question... Bidding goes 1H-1N-2H. Now what do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 OK, 2nd part of the question... Bidding goes 1H-1N-2H. Now what do you bid? 3h easy fwiw in my style.... it shows this hand.-------------- given OP.....with a first time pard i would have been in game long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 OK, 2nd part of the question... Bidding goes 1H-1N-2H. Now what do you bid? 2S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 OK, 2nd part of the question... Bidding goes 1H-1N-2H. Now what do you bid? 2S I thought that showed the minors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 I really like 2S, but for b/I i think 3H is about right. And for this forum, I think 1NT the first time is a good solid start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 Weird. Part I: How is this a GF hand? Is your partner a Roth or a Stone, or a real human being? Part IB: What the heck was that bit of discussion about balanced hands not being part of a 1NT response? Part II: 3♥ with a pickup partner seems fairly obvious. He has six hearts, I have two hearts, that makes a fit. I have an invitational hand, so I invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 Weird. Part I: How is this a GF hand? Is your partner a Roth or a Stone, or a real human being? vite. sigh roth and stone real humans....please.....B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 OK, 2nd part of the question... Bidding goes 1H-1N-2H. Now what do you bid? 2S I thought that showed the minors? I guess it's an agreement thing but personally I have never thought 2S = minors (I know people play this) to be nearly as effective as either 1) strong heart raise that allows us to probe for 3N2) forces 2N to show one of several handtypes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 OK, 2nd part of the question... Bidding goes 1H-1N-2H. Now what do you bid? 2S I thought that showed the minors?The latest post on this was by Richard Pavlicek ( rec.games.bridge ) back in January : Axx x AJ76xx x K QJxxx KJx AQTxxx 1H 1NT (forcing) 2H 2S! = showing the minors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 Bidding goes 1H-1N-2H. Now what do you bid? Well given I was willing to 2/1 GF with this, I guess I bid 4♥. If you mean I'm forced to treat this as an invitational hand and not upgrade for the 8+ fit, I guess 3♥ is normal (unless you have special methods for the "impossible" 2♠). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 In casual partnership I bid 2♣. It simplify things and prevent disasters caused by difference in style (like 2NT on 25hcp or problems after jump auction from opener). I feel it's much more important than small EV I am giving away by playing some not very good 3NT's.I would also bid 2♣ if I play systems with standard openings (not every 11, some 10's like in prec). If it goes: 1♥ 1NT2♥ I bid 4♥. I don't consider other options as serious contenders. I know simuls don't tell much in such situations but if partner has exactly 11hcp and shape no better than 6-4 the game will make 53% of cases. I hate playing with people who invite on such hands btw. I prefer to bid straightforwardly and be where most of the field is if it's close anyway (not that I think it's close here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 The latest post on this was by Richard Pavlicek ( rec.games.bridge ) back in January : Axx x AJ76xx x K QJxxx KJx AQTxxx 1H 1NT (forcing) 2H 2S! = showing the minors I am familiar with this treatment. I saw it in some old polish bridge newspaper from back in 70' or something like that ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 OK, 2nd part of the question... Bidding goes 1H-1N-2H. Now what do you bid? 2S I thought that showed the minors?The latest post on this was by Richard Pavlicek ( rec.games.bridge ) back in January : Axx x AJ76xx x K QJxxx KJx AQTxxx 1H 1NT (forcing) 2H 2S! = showing the minors I don't see how you're much better off showing minors over 2♥ than you are showing clubs (6 instead of 5 partner will think if you show minors). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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