Someone's telling a porkie

[Echognome]

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sa2hkqdaq74caq754]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(P) - P - (1♠) - Dbl;

(2NT*) - P - (3♠) - ?[/hv]*Limit Raise of spades

 

You know one of the opponents doesn't have their bid (and given the vulnerability and position, you can probably guess who). The question is, what do we do now?

[Fluffy]

I'd try 3NT, expose the joke first, hopefully partner has enough imagination to realice that if he has 2-5 in the majors we are probably doing well in hearts.

[minimonkey]

Well I am not bidding 3NT or anything else, the question for me is pass or Double again.

 

I think I would pass.

 

Question: Is partner meant to pass with few values hoping we can take it off?

ie. is xx Axxx xxxx xxx a pass or a 4H bid after the 2nd double?

[jdonn]

Double again is not a real option. I like 3NT counting on partner to not be broke if they are full of it anyway.

[jjbrr]

Pretty rough spot. Try 3NT and hope to run good one timeeeeeee

[gwnn]

Pass, I don't think we have 9 tricks. This is probably bad because I could have almost 3 aces less for this action... :P

[jdonn]

Everyone look, gwnn would double 1♠ with xx KQ Qxxx Qxxxx!

[gwnn]

I said almost, Jx KQ Qxxx Qxxxx plz.

[Bbradley62]

Why are we convinced that someone is lying? We have 21HCP and partner could have 0, leaving 19 for E/W. If East has 11 and West has 8 with a stiff club, everyone has bid honestly.

[655321]

Why are we convinced that someone is lying?  We have 21HCP and partner could have 0, leaving 19 for E/W.  If East has 11 and West has 8 with a stiff club, everyone has bid honestly.

Yep, it is possible that everyone has their bids, but if I had to choose between a construction that gives partner 0 HCP on the one hand, and RHO having opened (very?) light, w/r, in 3rd seat on the other, I know where my money would be.

 

That doesn't help us find a bid now, but I like the 3NT suggestion.

[the hog]

I hate the 3NT suggestion. You have one s stopper and so need to run 9 fast tricks. Even if pard has the K of C you have only 7 tricks IF C break and 8 IF the D hook works. If I bid 3NT, pd won't bid 4H with Fluffy's 2-5 construction. I am passing and will congrat the opps if it transpires we could make something.

[jdonn]

Note to self. Open light versus hog. 0 count if possible.

[the hog]

Note to self. Open light versus hog. 0 count if possible.

Note to self, all doubles against Josh are for penalties. :ph34r:

[rogerclee]

Note to self. Open light versus hog. 0 count if possible.

Note to self, all doubles against Josh are for penalties. :ph34r:

Playing penalty doubles against Josh's 3rd seat 1M openers is not the way to stop him from opening 1M light.

[jdonn]

Note to self. Open light versus hog. 0 count if possible.

Note to self, all doubles against Josh are for penalties. :ph34r:

Playing penalty doubles against Josh's 3rd seat 1M openers is not the way to stop him from opening 1M light.

Clee is the winner!

[Codo]

I hate 3 NT too, I try a second double....

[mich-b]

I would try 3NT.

 

A Double is too likely to get us to a poor contract (4♥).

A Pass is unlikely to get us to any contract.

 

3NT may be poor , but can also be comfortable. Maybe RHO opened with 4 ♠s?

Or maybe with less than that? We have all seen that happen...

[whereagles]

3NT. I can't see anything else.

[Fluffy]

If I bid 3NT, pd won't bid 4H with Fluffy's 2-5 construction.

I am not sure he will, but sounds logical, if he has 2 spades he knows we won't have 4 of them, not even 3, and since we are balanced we rate to have a good fit for his hearts. add to that the fact that he is extremelly weak and will have no entries unless playing in his own suit and I think he should try.

[bluecalm]

Double again is not a real option. I like 3NT counting on partner to not be broke if they are full of it anyway.

 

Why not ? Double seems to be natural choice for me.

 

Also I don't see why "someone is telling a porkie here". It's just that 3rd hand openings are 8+, not 12+.

[billw55]

I don't understand.

 

There is a good chance that partner is absolutely broke. Even if he has one working card, we still don't have nine tricks, and their spades are obviously setting up on opening lead. It seems to me that 3NT is at least 75% to go down. And sometimes they will find a double.

[jdonn]

If you double again partner will bid 4♥. Why would you want to invite that?

[Echognome]

[hv=d=w&v=n&n=sqt6hat53d32ct932&w=skj73hj984dk98ck8&e=s9854h762djt65cj6&s=sa2hkqdaq74caq754]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

Table 1 Auction

P - P - 1♠ - Dbl;

2NT* - P - 3♠ - Dbl;

P - 4♥ - All Pass

*Limit Raise

Score: +450

 

Table 2 Auction

P - P - P - 1♣;

Dbl - 1♥ - P - 2♦;

P - 2♠* - P - 2NT;

P - 3♣ - P - 3NT;

All Pass

*Ingberman

Score: +460

 

Standard flat score result.

[Fluffy]

the guy who didn't double 4♥ seems to know his partner very well

[OleBerg]

Note to self:

 

Remember it is pathetic to post notes to yourself on the internet.